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He shouldn’t be assaulting anybody

Does that include assaulting women?

I can think of other things I could call him but this is a family forum.

Ah, the equal rights card Yes of course there would be an outcry

No it’s not good for him. It makes him look like a violent misogynist. Its the end of his ministerial career

Nothing changes the fact that Field had no right to lay a finger on that lady. His actions cannot be justified. He should face charges.

Brufen did nothing for me. Completely ineffective. Naproxen was the only pain relief that helped but since I’ve had no attacks I haven’t had to use that for years. A word of caution about people trying to treat this themselves using cherry juice etc... It can work but you’ve no way of knowing for sure - the damage from gout can be cumulative and hidden. The only way to be sure is to get your levels checked and get a prescription if needed. Im not one for going to the GP but given how treatable gout is like I said earlier the GP really is your friend.

Yes diet can be a trigger but not the only one. Shellfish used to cause me problems. Yeasty things too like Bovril. Theres other surprising triggers: stress, dehydration, joint injuries

Could be genetic. Or just getting older and maybe the kidneys aren’t as good as they used to be. I suffered with it in my 40s. A simple prescription of just one tablet a day changed my life. No attacks for years. And yes it is excruciatingly painful. You have to have experienced it to understand. At the height of my issues I could go from being able to run 20 miles one day to having to crawl to the toilet the next. Good luck. Your GP is your friend!!!

Brexit in October getting less likely according to the odds. Was 5/2 now 2.65/1 Not before 2022 dips to 3.45/1 from 7/2 Everybody knows Johnson can’t deliver it. Long extension or revoke are only realistic options

Well it absolutely is - in very concise times - exactly what the discussion is about. The reasons why people have made their own decisions and developed their own belief systems is really just an abstraction of that. And we can of course be as nasty or as kind or as in denial as we want to be about how based in reality all of that is, for any given individual or clearly defined group.

Then what.....

Japanese companies will all pretty much move some operations out of the U.K.. We’ve already broken (because of the way Brexit has been handled) the implicit contract with the Japanese around business certainty, and economic stability which was one of our selling points with the EU being a cornerstone of that. Its too late to fix it. They won’t trust the U.K. again

It isn’t wrong to state that people do not know what the outcome of voting leave will be. They can’t possibly have known. And it’s not wrong to suggest that it is very likely to go badly, or that many of those leave voters are going to be extremely angry.

It’s dystopian. No other way to describe it.

Wait until one of them actually starts the job

You are still ignoring the very clear fact that huge numbers of boomers and the over 65s are voting for policy that damages younger generations. Its not a personal dig at you. You don’t have to defend yourself or your cohort. It is just plain basic fact that the policy impoverishes the younger generations who are expected to fund older generations, so that creates potential funding gaps for all kinds of benefits and services. Things can change, or the TV licence is just the start.

It doesn’t matter what you say. The leave vote was 60% in 50-64 age group and 64% in over 65 age group. Baby boomers and the preceding generation ARE voting in overwhelming numbers for policies that make life poorer for younger generations. Nice touch there saying that you paid more interest in your mortgage when people in their early 40s often haven’t even got a mortgage these days. I suggest yourself and your cohort get up to speed with the real world, and very quickly, or else you will reap a very uncomfortable whirlwind of change where pensioner benefits and care become less guaranteed.

I’ve said it before. Johnson has no scruples. He wants to PM and he doesn’t like doing difficult stuff. If a long extension or even remain gives him the keys to No 10 for a long time then he won’t think twice. He has the charisma to persuade a huge swathe of Tory voters that anything he does or says is right.

You are misreading what I’m saying. This is a unique situation. Never before have so many people who have disproportionally accumulated so much wealth have decided to visit upon the rest of the population the biggest avoidable economic catastrophe in modern western history. Losing a free TV licence is the least of your worries. Your basic static pension and free at the point of use healthcare amongst many other things are at risk as well. You can’t just brush this away. You’re going to have to wake up.

None of that changes the fact that the situation right now is that huge numbers of older people are repeatedly voting for things that make us poorer. This is creating a ticking time bomb of resentment. You arguing with me won’t change that. It’s like arguing you built us the best house ever then took a can of petrol and a match to it, expecting the rest of to all still to be grateful when it burns down. If you read carefully I’m talking about a section of the older population, not all of the older population Who do you think can persuade them they are wrong?

Indeed. I’d sooner all over 75s got it free but we are approaching snapping point with funding these kinds of things. Older generations are known to be voting in huge numbers for policies that will weaken the economy. They can’t have it both ways. The money has to come from somewhere. Isn’t the boomer generation those born up to about ‘64 Don’t vote for parties that promote austerity and Brexit. Older generations seem happy to volunteer the rest of us for misery by doing so

It doesn’t change the one massive basic fact that if you are beyond a certain age you have benefitted massively compared to our younger generations. And it doesn’t change the fact that a massive proportion of older people now expect younger generations to continue funding them. Breaking news: we can’t afford to do it if you insist on continuously voting in huge numbers to weaken the economy. That is what frames this discussion. It’s unavoidable. It would easier not to have to fight for them if older generations accept that everybody should benefit, and stop voting in huge numbers to pull up the drawbridge. If you want something for free then don’t hobble the people you expect to fund it for you. It’s really that blindingly simple

Well, there’s an argument that if people have the means to pay then the TV/radio licence is a good thing. If people don’t have the means to pay then sustaining a case for it gets more difficult. Given a choice of £15-20 a month on Netflix/Amazon Prime versus £13 a month on the BBC, if families had the choice quite honestly what would a big proportion of them choose.

The baby boomers have taken what was handed to them on a plate. No complaints there. It isn’t their fault but that ship has sailed. What a large proportion of them (but not all of course) has failed to do is recognise their advantage and good fortune. They’ve voted to make the economy weaker and they have to recognise the consequences of that. They have to realise that the rest of society can’t afford to go on reinforcing and consolidating certain advantages. IMO this is just the first thing to give as we have to work out ways to fund the essentials like proper social care and protecting the basic pension.