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Many routes are now that frequent that even the bus companies dont timetable journeys for most of the day. They just say "around every X minutes".

My grandparents were 71 when they started. They are now 76 and now even have an iPad on top of the laptop. Old age is never, never a valid excuse IMO.

Ah this old chestnut again! Meadowhall isnt a "service station" and cannot be signed off the motorway as such, and 27 miles is actually a significant gap between service stations that needs to be filled.

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I've maintained that the only real excuse would be a disability as early as post #16 of this thread.

Yes, but a free version (laden with adverts) will be retained at least.

Why not? If due to a disability then that is fair enough, any other reason is merely sticking their heads in the sand. Cost - hmm, there are free courses available and they can use public libraries.

How far is that away from housing compared to this one? Same age groups attending both? I dont know the answers, its a genuine question. I assume the Hillsborough example then was cited in support of this application?

That's OK then. As for the rest of your post, they should at least make an effort.

Seems reasonable enough arguments against granting it to me, I dont know any other schools on industrial estates.

Are they able to use a phone and ring Travel Line to obtain bus timetable information?

They wouldnt like it but you have to grin and bare it. Not the fault of organisations if the minority dont embrace change. Point blank refusing to even attempt to learn (like the lady in the OP's example) is plain daft.

I was quoting Trav4 (see post #26) who seems to be chasing me but not you, despite us having exactly the same opinion ---------- Post added 07-01-2015 at 11:18 ---------- All my compassion for the pensioners went out of the window on travel matters when they chose to repeatedly break the law in order for them to try and get their way. They are in for an even bigger shock this time next year when their half price train travel will be for the chop, along with all the estate buses that are loaded all day with non-fare paying customers.

Of which I have made plenty, a classic case of "replying to the poster and not the post" occuring here. Are you not going to lambast ECCOnoob for saying the same as me then?

Do you have any reasonable reply to the points I am making? ---------- Post added 07-01-2015 at 11:09 ---------- "Do you have any friends?. Real ones I mean not those on the other end of a computer." :D How else do you want the "help" to be delivered? A course seems a reasonable way of delivering the skills needed.

You dont. As already said, ring 01709 515151. Or go outside and look at the times at the bus stop (if applicable). Add to that most bus services dont actuall have a timetable at some points of the day anyway (the 52 springs to mind) and I wonder how much demand there actually is on the paper timetables.

Well more fool them, especially if it means they miss out on accessing services.

Or you ring 01709 515151. Or, if applicable, you go outside to the bus stop and look at the one there. ---------- Post added 07-01-2015 at 10:49 ---------- Indeed, wonder if they all realise what will be going in next years cuts? Bye bye half price train fares and subsisided bus routes around the estates of Barnsley.

"Being brilliant" has nowt to do with it. Any 70 year old can sit down and learn how to use a computer if they actually wanted to, assuming they dont have a disability which stops them from doing so.

They do provide timetables: online. I have never seen a paper bus timetable provided by First or Stagecoach - they are provided by the PTE. So what "bus profits" have to do with this is anybodys guess given they didnt produce timetables on paper to begin with. Given how much of the world is now online, anyone choosing not to embrace it is, quite frankly, an idiot. I again point to the example of my grandparents in their 70's who did embrace it in the last few years and so age is no excuse. I concede that cost may be one, but libraries exist.

What was so moronic about my first reply in this thread, maybe you can pick out the specific bits for me? I'm not expecting a rational reply.

Ha! :D:D

I suppose Barclays arent being stupid, maybe they realise the more people they get "trained up" to use online services, the more branches and staff they can shed in the long run as less people use traditional counter services. Thats the only reason they are doing it, it wont be through any great sense of kindness.

Who? Toby Foster, or the pensioner for unwilling to learn new technology and digging her head in the sand and hoping it will all go away?

"Not being competent" is not an excuse. Five years ago I would never have imagined my 71 year old grandparents to suddenly buy a laptop but they did, five years later and they are both fantastic on it, my gran plays poker online and my grandad sells stuff on eBay. Sounds like this lady has an unwillingness to learn and why should the minority be spoonfed? I assume the phone-in was about the SYPTE cuts and the removal of paper timetables. Does she not have a phone? Use that instead. Timetables are available on computers for free at public libraries, as well as at bus stops. And dont forget some routes dont even run to a timetable at some points of the day. Pensioners should be lucky they still have subsidised train travel as that will be the thing to go in the cuts next year.