Hi John the second shop on was thomsons remember his son John, the other guy was Joe rains, yes my mother is still well at 87'sorry to here about your mum John if you want to ring me my mobile is 07860181104.Nice to no your retired I am still at work I have worked with Paul HARDWICK for 32 years now we have around 10 to 15 work for us not easy, remember John thorley ken Edmond dick Knowles the list goes on speak again soon,Regards Ian