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If the likes of Cris Martin and Paula Yates's situations were different, if they lived in Sheffield and their children were destined for yewlands school or somwhere like that, they wouldn't have named their children what they have; as it is though they live in the land of make-believe where its OK to be called Trixy or Daisy-Boo.

Its funny how some once fairly popular name's go out of fashion completely; I know of no baby Barbara's, Nora's, Cyril's or earnest's.

Is 4.30 am early enough? I'm sometimes passing through there at that time and the Holme lane/Malin bridge lights are nearly always on red while the deserted Ball road's lights are on green! Its the same story with a set of lights on the approach to Derek Dooley way, the lights serving the bottom of Pitsmoor road always have priority in the early hours even though theres nothing coming down there...there's usually myself, and one or two other cars just sat there like knobs waiting for them to go red and ours to turn green.

Is this true?

Not that many people outside of Liverpool are overly bothered about this.

The dead were not the ones that were drunk and rowdy, they were the innocent victims; so why is their blood alchol significant?

The dead were not the ones that were drunk and rowdy, they were the innocent victims; so why is their blood alchol significant?

Everyone knows that the fans were partly to blame.

You missed Liverpool fans there. Its just naive in the extreme to believe that the fans of a football club, that had a well deserved reputation for mayhem, having caused the heysel disaster and, more than any other club, got British football teams including the national side banned from playing abroad for a good few years, are totally blameless for Hillsborough.

Sadly, "closure" for some means the demolition of the Hillsborough football ground and all the officers on duty that day being jailed for murder.

The article and David Camerons statement is based on the false premise that people are trying to "smear the dead"; no one is trying to smear the dead, the dead did nothing wrong, its what was going on by those behind them that killed them.

The fans that died are not to blame in any way shape or form, it was the mixture of police failure and drunken rowdiness behind them.

True, but are'nt people trying to make out that there were no drunk and rowdy Liverpool fans turning up at the ground late trying to get in?

The wool can't be pulled over Sheffielders eyes; anyone at or around the White Horse pub that afternoon saw the drunken Liverpudlians, as did locals and passing bus drivers etc.