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18 minutes ago, Ontarian1981 said:

 Slightly off topic, as you two are talking stainless, but I do recall in the late50s that certain Vauxhalls i.eCresta and Victor were rust buckets and General Motors were in hot water  for using inferior Spanish steel. I was too young to know the details, but remember adults saying there was a big stink over it.

That's a very lazy explanation.  Like I have said, if you are prepared to pay, you can source very good quality steels.  Our steelmaking capability is very weak compared to other countries, such as the Chinese who have invested heavily in very modern equipment and infrastructure over recent years.

28 minutes ago, El Cid said:

I am impressed that you know who manufactured the steel that you sink is made from. Do you sell or deal with sinks in your job?

Hope he doesn't if he doesn't even know that different grades of stainless steel exist.

Just now, apelike said:

So the steel was made in Spain, had nothing wrong with it and yet was poor quality and the UK manufacturer was at fault. Is stainless steel meant to rust as I though that is what stainless actually meant?

Nope, stainless steel can actually rust.  In fact, since you're not sufficiently educated to know, here is a free lesson.  It is primarily chromium that makes steel stainless.  You’re looking at something like 12% for it to impart its “stainless” properties.  This minimum amount is required for a stable Cr oxide layer to form, it is this layer that prevents rusting.  However, if stagnant water is present, then this oxide layer can break down over time and allows rust to form.

Now, if you have higher levels of Cr, then your stainless properties will obviously improve with a thicker or more stable layer of Cr oxide being formed.  Other alloys added to the steel can also improve corrosion resistance, such as molybdenum.  A high Mo content can improve pitting corrosion resistance.

A high nickel content can produce a group of stainless known as austenitic stainless steels.  Probably the most common one being Type 304 which can be found in decent cutlery.  You may have noticed some numbers found on your knives and fork, such as 18/8, which in this example means that the stainless it was made from contains 18% Cr and 8% Ni.  Some cheap stuff might have 13/0, which is 13% Cr and 0% Ni.

As I say, if the manufacturer isn’t willing to pay for a decent stainless grade of stainless, then they simply will not get it.  Any steelmaker who makes stainless steels can make the vast majority of grades available, but you must be willing to pay for it.

Here endeth the lesson.

13 minutes ago, apelike said:

Its up there with the rest so I will dream on in the same way as the remainers do, also not forgetting it is still at this late stage the default position.

Your so called default position has come and gone TWICE.  It's never going to happen.  Just live with it.

2 minutes ago, apelike said:

As I didn't pay for it was probably a bargain, and BTW the rant was about poor quality Spanish steel.

You still don't get it.  There was nothing wrong with the steel,  If the UK manufacturer wasn't prepared to pay for higher grade stainless, then why would they get it?  You make anything to a given price point.  Metallurgy is driven by chemistry, not geographical borders.

6 minutes ago, apelike said:

Or a hard brexit.. 

With this parliament?  Dream on.

8 minutes ago, apelike said:

Just dont buy anything that is made of Spanish stainless as it is poor quality which will stain with rust-marks. My sink is one, it is manufactured in the UK but made from steel imported from Spain.

There are so many things wrong with your statement.

Firstly, it is not Spanish steel that is at fault.  It is the UK manufacturer that decided to source low quality stainless steel.  There are many different grades of stainless steel, ones such as 316L are decent with high levels of nickel, chromium and molybdenum.

It is a simple matter of you get what you pay.  You were cheap and deserved what you got.  It really is that simple.  So don't needlessly turn it into an obvious rant about anything foreign, it makes you look pathetic.

1 hour ago, lil-minx92 said:

Unless they are a bank

The banks that were bailed out were viable businesses. British Steel is not. 

Told you British Steel wouldn’t be rescued. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48365241

Just now, apelike said:

No as the government have not given Forgemaster any money and yet have given British Steel a loan to help save it and has also given monetary support in the past.

Scunthorpe is saved from collapse is it? 

Bye bye 5000 jobs. 

7 minutes ago, apelike said:

That's a bit ironic coming from a very rich remainer who is himself a fat, uneducated Northerner.

You give me an another uneducated person who has an honorary doctorate in engineering. 

15 minutes ago, Branyy said:

I agree. And this should also apply to medical staff that regularly decides to take prayer breaks during treatment of patient. However, this issue always remains overlooked.

Is the safety of the patient at risk? You are being very disingenuous with that pathetic remark. I know many doctors and nurses who would overlook their religious obligations if the needs of the patients come first. They don’t just leave the patient hanging to go pray like you make out. So why don’t you take your racist implications and put them where the sun doesn’t shine instead of trying to smear our dedicated health professionals.  

Just now, apelike said:

So the deal has only been brokered by the government but it has not received any money from the government then?

 

The government isn’t even putting its name to save Scunthorpe. Can’t tell the difference?

12 minutes ago, apelike said:

Has it? I though the government withdrew it financial support in loans?

Sheffield Forgemasters has had a loan agreement brokered by the government with Rolls-Royce, Babcocks and BAEs underwriting the loan from US bank Wells Fargo. 

Scunthorpe will not get this treatment. 

1 hour ago, Yeah but said:

They should if what they produce is vital for the national interest; British infrastructure, tanks and warships etc should be built from British steel. I know we're moving away from steel to other more modern materials nowadays but my point stands.

Your view is already being enacted upon. Scunthorpe is not considered to be nationally strategic. 

Meanwhile, Sheffield Forgemasters is and has been financially supported. 

Therefore, Scunthorpe should be allowed to collapse. It is of no national value. 

37 minutes ago, bassett one said:

the tory goverment will only be happy once they are all closed and finish what maggie thatcher started

Failing businesses should not be propped up by taxpayers money. 

5 minutes ago, MAC33 said:

Sacking this nurse seems way too extreme.

 

Youd think we live in a country that outlaws Christianity.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7053709/NHS-nurse-offered-Bible-cancer-patient-LOSES-unfair-dismissal-appeal-tribunal.html

Rightfully dismissed. You can’t force a religious opinion on anyone no matter how well intentioned. 

How are Leavers going to spin this as good news for Brexit in the election?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48347371

2 hours ago, Car Boot said:

You are still thinking we are in pre-June 2016 times. 

 

The Leave vote shattered the status quo, the middle ground belongs to the out of touch pampered middle-class. We will have our working class revolt and society will be changed forever.

Oh yes, your so called working class are getting what they want right?

Bottom line is you don’t know how to get that unicorn you were promised. Just let the grownups sort this out. 

On 19/05/2019 at 18:07, Car Boot said:

We can only nationalise energy, water and transport once we have left the EU.

You know what you just said is total and complete rubbish right?

The rail networks for example can very easily be placed back into public ownership.  The cheapest way for any government to do it is to let the franchises expire and not put them out to tender again.

Also, how do you explain the nationalising of the banks during the financial crash?  Wait, were we still in the EU when that happened?

On 19/05/2019 at 18:14, Car Boot said:

Here comes the important bit, so read carefully.

 

The Tories are not going to be in power forever.

 

In fact, Brexit will destroy them as an electable party. Jeremy knows this. 

Ok, you need a history lesson.  There has NEVER been a government that didn't occupy the centre ground.  It has always been between the centre-left or centre-right.  The Tories or Labour do not have exclusivity of this standing.  Labour is lurching to the left and the Tories to the right.  There is a great void in the middle for the Lib Dems and Change UK to take advantage of.

6 hours ago, apelike said:

I didn't say it was only that is what we have at the moment. The fact is that the OECD (Pisa) report on international school rankings has the UK education system at 15 year olds is 15th place overall which is equal to Germany and the Netherlands and higher than most  all the other EU countries.

 

I will give the link later as I'm on the tablet and can't see how to do links.

 

 

BTW I just wonder how many on here would be prepared to pay extra taxes to ensure the education standard is upped to what people here want.

I am already creating a nest egg so that I can send both my children to university.  By the time that happens, I think it will be around £60k a piece.  That is how much I think a good education is worth.   I don't want my kids to start adulthood with any form of financial inconvenience overhanging their heads.  Having said that, I need to see what the student loan structure is going to be then in order to determine what benefits there maybe to taking out a loan versus paying it off straight away.

Parents’ need to play a far more active role in their children’s education.  I can help by virtue of my engineering degree.  I have been though the system and know what it takes to succeed in it.

We are an absolute disappointment in the PISA ranking.  We are 23rd!  Why on Earth is that even acceptable when we have world class universities?  The Scandinavian countries knock us out the park and the far east Asian countries are ridiculous.  Why is it the Chinese Gaokao, which is their version of our A-Levels considered far more highly.  I am not even saying a bit, but massively.  A grade A* in A-Levels is worth 56pts.  The Gaokao equivalent is 64pts!

http://factsmaps.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-math-science-reading/

3 hours ago, Car Boot said:

A person with 5 GCSE's (or less) can revolt against the ruling class and the wealthy elite by voting to Leave the EU and bringing their pampered, privileged lifestyles crashing down around them.

So an educated person being able to earn more, such as doctors, engineers and scientists need to be revolted against?

Really?  So you don't believe in an educated society and all the advantages that come with it?

1 hour ago, apelike said:

Not everybody wants or gets a professional position though. One of the reasons we have a high rate of grads who are in menial jobs.

 

Plenty as attested by those without much in the way of qualifications that have also done well and and are now we'll off.

 

Tell that to an electrician, plumber or bricklayer who is earning over 50 grand a year while some grads are serving food in McDonalds. Yes higher education is a good thing but who pays for it?See above 

 

The vast majority of people who fill menial jobs are people with a significantly lower attainment of education. To say otherwise is just an outright lie. 

Why on Earth would I want to earn £50k/year fitting toilets when I can earn far more being a chartered engineer? 

3 hours ago, apelike said:

You may question that as you class yourself as elite and above others, you have also changed your stance from calling people uneducated now to inadequately educated which is different. Unfortunately for you five GCSEs are the standard in terms of secondary education in the UK whether you like it or not.

Employers do not think it is sufficient in professional positions. 

So ask yourself this, a person with only five GCSEs is going to be able to achieve what exactly?

I do not consider myself elite, I am a realist. I appreciate the fact that higher education is needed if you want to make a decent living. 

Unsurprising.

In a similar vein, we can't use Lenovo laptops (includes the Thinkpads) because of security issues.

4 hours ago, Ontarian1981 said:

 Totally agree, I can honestly say that in the almost 37 years I spent in England that I never stayed in Saturday night to watch that load of nursery rhymes put to music.

I used to watch it because of Terry Wogan's commentary.  Graham Norton is just as good.