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ez8004

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  1. The most recent one as it is with how all laws are made in this country. You do live in this country right? Are you trying to be silly now? Serious question, I need to know how low I need to go to debate with you now.
  2. So his votes and other remainer Tory MPs don’t count in Parliament? You are the kind of person that bangs in about sovereignty and complain about EU legislation but you’re unable to give a single example of a piece of legislation that is bad for our country. Workers’ rights is really bad for example right?
  3. These were elections to the EU Parliament and not Westminster. You know The difference right? So the likes of Ken Clarke is a leave supporter?
  4. You are behaving undemocratically by thinking like that you hypocrite. Why is your vote worth more than another EU citizen in these elections?
  5. Change the backstop before the end of October? Really? Who is the government going to negotiate with to do that? The EU are in transition with new EU leaders being decided on. The EU have said there is no altering the deal. So the deal can’t change and no-deal is not possible. Not many options left are there?
  6. You are pretty deluded if you think a new PM can force through no-deal. There enough MPs from both sides of the isle to collapse the government to prevent this. Phillip Hammond has already fired warning shots.
  7. Let me see, the shadow foreign secretary and most importantly the shadow chancellor and deputy Labour leader have openly said there needs to be a second vote. Numerous Labour MPs have come out and said the same. The ground is moving in one very obvious direction. You are just burying your head in the sand. I’ll be happy to say I told you so later.
  8. The way you are clutching at the most feeble of straws is hilarious. You keep on digging. If Labour are a Leave party then why were they the main opposition against the government deal for being “too hard a Brexit”? The Labour Party are most definitely shifting towards a second referendum if not remain. If you can’t see that, then that is definitely your problem.
  9. All Tories are Leavers are they? I think 5 million Tory voters might argue otherwise. Also, three quarters of Labour voters are remainers. You claim to be intelligent but on this showing, it is definitely not the case. A fairer reflection of the vote share would be; Remain - 53.7% Leave - 41.3% Vote share are only from definitively pro Brexit or remain parties with the Tory and Labour vote apportioned fairly as I have described.
  10. This is a good point as it means that only moderates will be considered true contenders. There are enough Tory MPs to bring down the government if a PM was foolish enough to try to ram no-deal through. Bye bye Raab and Johnson. Leadsom and McVey could be added to this list as well. That’s not how referendums are counted is it? Why do you think analysis of the results now is mainly by vote share and not MEPs won?
  11. Not heard about the EU nationals and British expats not being able to vote and the government is getting sued because of it? if anything, this actually unintentionally given us quite a nice snapshot of voting intentions if a second referendum was held. This election result only further strengthens the argument for a second referendum.
  12. Your analysis isn’t very fair at all. Considering a third of Tory voters are remainers and 75% of Labour voters are remainers, it swings Wales quite firmly from Leave to remain.
  13. A very narrow minded view. A very large portion of EU nationals couldn’t vote and a very significant number of British expats couldn’t vote. So your second point is invalid. As for many leavers boycotted these elections. Got any actual facts to support this? Turnout is roughly the same as it has always been. No real indication that more remainers or leavers voted this time around. Being very desperate by not legitimately considering all remain parties since they all make up the left leaning political groups in the EU Parliament. The right leaning groups are collectively in the minority now.
  14. Why are you excluding the SNP and PC? Do the Scots and Welsh not deserve to have their votes counted? What about Change UK?
  15. The Remainer Parties collectively do have the most votes and seats.
  16. If you can't see the shifting of public opinion then that is your problem. The 2016 result is becoming more irrelevant by the day. If it was so important, explain to me why we haven't left and why we are having these elections? I am playing the long game. What are you playing?
  17. Try keeping up. We were supposed to have left by now. Also, don't believe what the Labour leader is saying tonight? His voice carrys no weight?
  18. Brexiteers do generally have lower attainment of education. Simple stats, it's not even stats, it's basic arithmetic eludes them.
  19. Labour as a leave party. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48417378 Dream on. Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has responded to tonight's results. “After three years of Tory failure to deliver a Brexit that works for the whole country, these elections became a proxy second referendum," he says "With the Conservatives disintegrating and unable to govern, and parliament deadlocked, this issue will have to go back to the people, whether through a general election or a public vote. "Labour will bring our divided country together so we can end austerity and tackle inequality. “Over the coming days we will have conversations across our party and movement, and reflect on these results on both sides of the Brexit divide. “We will not let the continuing chaos in the Conservative Party push our country into a no-deal exit from the EU. "Parliament can and will prevent such a damaging outcome for jobs and industry in the UK.” Sounds like leave right?
  20. You obviously do not read history (or at all?). The EU elections have always been a form of protest vote. The result of the EU elections has NEVER translated to a subsequent GE. A party with no manifesto will never do well.
  21. Currently as it stands the confirmed MEPs are as follows; 33x Remain 31x Leave Obviously the public has confirmed that we should leave. Right? Put another way at the time of this post; Remain - 9,034,867 Leave - 7,293,815
  22. HAHAHAHA. The North West has; 5x Remain 3x Leave
  23. Unlike the Brexit Party, the Lib Dems actually were in government. If there was any doubt that Labour is a Remain party. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48417378
  24. Ok, a little history lesson. When did a party do well in the EU elections manage to translate it at a subsequent GE?
  25. Are you stupid enough to think the results of Yorkshire and the Humber can be extrapolated nationwide? Ok, you’re pretty naïve. Labour is clearly Remain based on what they are saying tonight. Whereas, the Tories have be counted as Leave.
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