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Can't believed no-ones mentioned the cement bag prank? Take one over zealous young builder, challenge him to lift a bag of cement up and down above his head (weightlifter style) 20 times, then when he's a few lifts into it and everyone around him is cheering his macho efforts, someone behid him makes a swift cut to the bottom of the bag with a stanley knife causing it to split and drop its contents over said young chap. Brilliant

They don't take a chunk of your wage, you take a percentage of their hourly fee to their client. This is frequently more than the hourly rate of your colleagues who are on the books. Read up on the Agency Workers Regulations (AWR) which came into effect on october 1st. They will provide you with a little more clarity as to the increased rights for Agency Workers.

So sainsburys/tesco et al advertise to you through expensive media, how the blazers do you expect the local Milkman to advertise? If he did flyers and had them posted through your door you may bin them or consign them to the pile of numerous kebab/indian/chinese takeaway flyer pile gathering dust somewhere. However here we have an enterprising individual who isn't just chucking out flyers but offering you to see the whites of his eyes and interacting with the locality from whom he hopes to make a living and you feel bullied and intimidated? Really? Most TV programmes have multiple adverts aiming to get you to "modify your shopping patterns", I'm sure these are less personable take up more than the meagre 5 minutes that this individual wanted off you, do you make resounding complaints about these? I say (and it appears that the majority of this thread would agree) well done that man for his approach to building his business!

We once went to M'Hall, as teenagers, before the advent of everyone having mobile phones too. Blew all our money in the bloomin arcade. We had to walk all the way home. Quite a cheap lesson in life well taught to be fair.

I'll be downtown, I will see fighting. I'm not justifying one form of localised warfare above another. I would say the same of inter-football-fighting. But this thread isn't about that. Don't get me wrong BF, I tend to agree with a lot of the things you write when you participate in threads and I was thinking you may see my line of thought here. Perhaps I haven't expressed myself as eloquently as I had hoped. Fights start over many things and some are escapable and some aren't. Football hooligans will always support their team and for a good while, whilst they are fit and healthy and silly enough to, they will continue to clash. It's not right or excuseable but we can't tell them otherwise. Bengali's and Somali's are welcome here and these lads probably hold british passports and most definitely enjoy many or all of the freedoms afforded to them by this country. My main point being; why scrap over something which is not at all a contentious issue? The Somalians weren't invading Bengal and the Bengali's weren't invading Somalia...They were all British lads fighting in Darnall! Now if they want to fight over a geographical right doing so against fellow Brits in Britain is surely about as twisted as it can get. Hence my suggestion earlier that if they wanted to put a lot of energy into their ethnic independence, they may freely return to their ethnic roots and do it there. In the meantime they should get their heads down and enjoy the freedoms and luxuries available to us all in Britain and not stick two fingers up to their families who, no doubt, at one time or another, came to this country for a better life and to escape fighting and aggression.

They are fighting in ethnic groups though within which they define themselves as Somali or Bengali.

My nose isn't white, nor is it racist. I DO! and that's what makes me mad. In my social group my very closest friends comprise of Irish, Jamaican, Indian and Chinese. We all consider ourselves to be British, even if historically, ethnically and by the standards of others, we aren't. We would call out Rule Britannia from the depths of our hearts and we are stone cold proud to recognise ourselves as Englishmen with a bi-racial ethnic ancestry. The thing that sickens me about the OP's post (not the OP or what was said but about the story to which it refers) isn't the race of the people involved (and i'm really impressed that no-one has thrown religion into the mix yet) but the fact that young men who truly have so much going for them and represent a racial group which has struggle in the countries to which they ethnically originate, find themselves in a land of opportunity where there is no discouragement at all for people of various races to interact and love one another, go and screw up the whole ideal of racial interaction and equality by needlessly taking and risking lives on our streets.

Its awfully sad yes, and awfully sad for us as a city that this has happened and is happening in this day and age. I think education surpasses books and lectures sometimes and runs into having the knowledge of citizenship, common decency, behaviour, attitude and maturity. Things that books cannot always give us. Perhaps the educational level of his peers in this instance brought his capacity to judge right from wrong to questionable levels.

London riots and this instance in Sheffield are two completely separate cases. I think there are more layers to what happened in London than an onion. What's happening in Sheffield is just shallow and pure idiocy and as someone mentioned earlier "education education education" this is just idiot children looking for something to have a ruck about with no real grounding. the same as "post code gangs" and the same as "football crews". if two people want to fight and kill over a non-issue then I say let them. perhaps the loss of life will be the only thing that will educate them on the futility of their pathetic behaviour.

I think the point that's being made here (quite rightly) is that if you identify yourself as "Somali" or "Bengali" and not as British; then whats the point and where is the right for you to fight over land or locations which are neither of the two? Ethnically we're all mixed in some way but we consider our "turf" to be the whole of England, the land which we live as peacefully as we can. In the case of Bengal or Somalia; why flee a land where violence and struggle is prominent to another country and then implement the same bull that's made your ethnic homeland a mess in the first place. If you want ethnic separatism in an area, return to your homeland and fight for it there.

Yup..what the above said. In law it's classed as a GOR (Genuine Occupational Requirement) their are quite a few of these and only certain situations permit their use, this being a fairly straightforward one I'd say.

Bit harsh?

It ain't so grim up norf!!

You're right but surely the whole thing that seperates "life" from just "living" is the joy and pleasure as well as results and satisfaction that can be gained from doing many of the things you mention. Ok some of the things are difficult, costly or not always fun but the piece of mind and reward you get from doing them outweighs the negative impact they may or may not have?

You think he'll ever run out of Property/class/benefits/living related un-forum-worthy discussions to strike up?