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Who knows why they eventually dragged me to Lincolnshire from Bristol to not meet the request that was clearly stipulated in my written request to RAF Conningsby and the MOD at Whitehall. They agreed to the meeting, put a forgery on a table that I wasnt allowed to take away as that could be used as evidence of forgery at a later date. My position is that they agreed to the meeting they had to show me something but the real purpose of agreeing to the meeting was in my opinion to de-brief me about what I knew. I told the security officer that I probably know more about this than he does as its well above his pay grade. I kept my mouth shut, I was there to ask the questions. I dont if that is what occurred, but it seems the only logical reason to grant the meeting that I had been requesting for 4 years. Then to not honour the request and purpose for me wanting the meeting. Im open to suggestions Answers on a post card

Howdy, I cant speak for base operation procedures. But testimony came from a couple of plane spotters who were at the base perimeter. It has been confirmed by the military that many aircraft were there, but they say they cannot identify all the aircraft or where they launched from. A bit strange to say the least as the UK front line tactical bases launch if they pick anything up on radar if they cannot Id the object from transponder numbers. Naturally if I had a full list of what planes were there and where they came from I could find out which one is missing SOP (standard operating procedure) You would think that the UK military would know what military aircraft they had in the skies over south Yorkshire on the night in question. Apparently they didn’t, anyone with any common sense knows that is a lie. I visited the base in 2001 where I went to interview the PRO at the base Caroline Hogg. The interview was conducted in the arrest sweet at the gate house. My request for an interview at the base took 4 years to get. They weren’t blocking me were they. My specific request that had to go to Whitehall That request was to view the Base flight log book. I was quite clear in my written request to Whitehall as the base flight log book was now held off base. I clearly stated that I was not interested in seeing photo copies. Upon arrival at the base with fellow investigator Matt Williams, we were shown in to the arrest sweet where seated was Hogg and a member of the security and provost services. (Military police) the first 20 minutes of the interview started by me being questioned about the case. I had to remind the officer that I was there to ask the questions this little chat even involved a veiled threat, to which I clearly stated to the officer . Are you threatening me? I was shown a photo copy of the base flight log which only showed two aircraft taking off that night and returning safely. We were not allowed to take the photocopies of the log away, we were not allowed to take any notes, we were not allowed to audio record the interview, we were not allowed to film the interview. The log shown by the base PRO (public relations officer) is being contradicted by the plane spotters. It gets even stranger, at the time I was working down south near Bristol staying at the dog inn, old sodbury for a year at this point in the time line. Only two people knew this address, my employer and the PRO at the base the MOD, who I had had contact with during the four years it took me to the interview. About 6 weeks after my visit to the base. I got a letter through the post, brown paper envelope, normal stamp on it. Upon opening the envelope inside a different base flight log for the 24th March 1997. Off hand I cannot tell you the exact number of aircraft it showed it was over a dozen. They had exciting call signs like and this is one of the actual call signs from the mystery base flight log. Rambo 1, was one of the call signs. There was no compliments slip with the log no note nothing. I still have it, I have never included it in my research as I cannot confirm its providence. Being as I have personally seen two different flight logs for the same evening something is going on here. Lets postulate for a few moments. 1.The RAF at Conninsby stalled for 4 years over the base flight log. 2.When I eventually got the meeting they did not meet my requests concerning the flight log. even though I clearly stated it in my written request. 3. We were not even allowed to take the photo copies that we were shown away. 4. If the log shown to me was authentic, why was I blocked from taking it away? 5. Later I get this new log sent to an address that only my boss and the M.O.D have? 6. Was this an attempt to plant false evidence in to my research by the MOD? The witnesses in to the incident report many aircraft. The summary which I posted was written up by another individual who I dont know. I hope this clears a few things up for you. Max

Frank so as far as you are concerned all these people thousands of them including NATO radar stations, military commanders, civilians, pilots, police officers all suffered a mass delusion or are all suffering from some kind of Schizophrenia and other psychoses. As you are right and everyone else is wrong. Frank Ive read the Sceptic/debunker play book and have been interacting with high level reality deniers for 20 years anything but the truth. Frank you can believe what you want that’s your business and what freedom is about, but please stop with all the remedial sceptic talk. It is an elementary rule of logic that "you cant prove a negative" Below a link to Omar Fowlers Flying Triangle Mystery PDF. Omar Fowler former RAF, Crash investigator. I suppose he cant be trusted to accurately report anything either. Sorry Frank on this matter you are obviously 30 years behind new advanced technology. OR dare I say it. You never know Aliens may flying them. I as said Im investigating the case I will go where the evidence leads. NOT from a pre-conceived idea of what is going on. Im moving forward with the investigation you can continue to think that anyone who sees or reports such things is either. "Mistaken, drunk, daft, irrational, hallucinations associated with schizophrenia and other psychoses used to be interpreted by the suffers as supernatural/religious/ghostly Well Frank you pretty much covered everything that a debunker would use as an argument as to why they did not see what they all said they saw. Frank I’m not being aggressive and to be quite honest IM not bothered what you think If you cant stand a bit of heat then get out of the kitchen. Below The Flying Triangle Mystery by Omar Fowler. As it says on the wall at CIA headquarters Langley Virginia. “Know The Truth and the Truth Will Set You Free” Have a nice day http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/FlyingTriangleMystery.pdf

Sissyphus, Thanks for suggesting that some on this list may not be up to spec on what is going on in secret places using advanced technologies A brief summary of the incident written by author on link supplied. Basically its accurate. The Howden Moor Incident or Sheffield Incident, which took place over the Dark Peak between Manchester and Sheffield on March 24, 1997, is an alleged encounter between a UFO and Royal Air Force Tornado aircraft, scrambled from RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire. Due to its controversial classified subject, little official documented evidence is freely available. Two sonic booms were heard in the incident and an aircraft is believed to have crashed. Sequence of events An orange light is seen moving across the sky over the Dark Peak. A local policeman from South Yorkshire Police refers to the Comet Hale-Bopp moving across the sky. A comet would not do this. At around 19:40, a Flying triangle UFO is seen near Barnsley railway station, then again over Dronfield in north-east Derbyshire at about 22:00. Six Tornado aircraft leave RAF Coningsby at 20:45. Two sonic booms are recorded by the British Geological Survey at the University of Leeds at 21:52 and 22:06. Around the same time, RAF Tornados are seen flying low over Dronfield. The RAF later deny that they had aircraft in that area or that any sonic booms had been created. At 22:15, two farmers from Bolsterstone, west of Sheffield, contact Ecclesfield police station to ask about a possible air-crash, as they witnessed a low flying aircraft towards Midhope Moor then a flash and a plume of smoke. Gamekeepers in Strines Forest also report an explosion and an orange glow on the horizon. At 23:00, the helicopter of West Yorkshire Police is searching the moors around Bolsterstone. It is joined at 00:00 by a Sea King air-sea rescue helicopter from RAF Leconfield. Firemen from Tankersley, Penistone, Stocksbridge and Hathersage are called to the area and meet up at the Strines Inn near Strines Reservoir on the Bradfield Moors. In the early hours of March 25, 141 volunteers from the Peak District Mountain Rescue Organisation and Woodhead Mountain Rescue Team, with support from police officers and rescuers from the Search and Rescue Dog Association, search of the local area, establishing an HQ at Hepshaw Farm on Langsett Moor. Derbyshire Constabulary refused to take part. At 7:00, the RAF set up a Dangerous Flying Zone of ten miles (16 km) radius over the Howden Moors to allow helicopters to search the area, as airliners would be approaching Manchester Airport from this time over the Howden reservoirs in Longdendale. After a lengthy search, from 14:00 the search operation was called off. On March 25, the Sheffield Star published a lengthy article about the incident. On March 23 1998, the subject was discussed in the House of Commons by the MP for Sheffield Hillsborough, Helen Jackson. A number of theories were expressed regarding this incident ranging from the low flying light plane being used by drug runners to a sighting of a World War Two ghost plane. http://wikibin.org/articles/howden-moor-incident.html The online power point and further evidence from my investigation of the incident. The Sheffield Incident http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=152&Itemid=51 Antigravity stuff for the technophobes http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=2&Itemid=53 Energy http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=7&Itemid=55 The wreckage and possible crash are not included in the on line power point. Frank, I wasn’t having a go at you but your constant NO NO NO. Instead of checking a few advances in science, refusing to except the testimony of senior military people. All the witnesses around the world are wrong according to you. I have not got time for it. IM investigating the case I am looking for more evidence. I don’t need to get in to long and drawn out debates. You kind of agree with me that it looks like a jet crashed and was covered up. I am simply saying it did crash, and like it or not the evidence collected suggests that there was indeed a Flying Triangle craft there during the incident. The investigation moves on and IM happy to talk about case, not aliens, star bursts, pixies, the loch ness monster or the theory of Atlantis. I only do that on a Sunday down the pub. Enjoy the links Max

there might have been a plane crash, there was no triangular UFO because they don't exist, there was, more likely, a helicopter Frank, your wrong about the flying triangles and during the course of this thread I have produced testimony from senior military people. Actual links to the RADAR footage from the Belgium incident. Credible testimony from proffessional observers, police RAF officers. They are all wrong and you are right? Are you suggesting that a senior Belgian military commander went on national television with the evidence. Made a full public disclosure of what happened. And he is also wrong as you are right? A number of people on this thread have said that they either saw the Triangle craft either that night or on other occassions are they wrong or is everybody else. drunk,mad,daft an idiot. AS YOU ARE RIGHT? Where I come from that sounds like a serious possibly fatal case of. "The Arrogance of Ignorance". I hope you make a full recovery

I have pictures of some of the wreckage found, and the impact crater. email me I will send them to those interested.

Frank, with regard to the miss perceptions, which you think was a police helicopter chasing a thief, I have never seen any testimony in any investigations which make that claim. Where did you get that from? Multiple wittneses all reported a flying triangle shaped craft they were spread out across the Sheffield area of South Yorkshire, they also reported the military jets at the same time in close proximity to the triangle. The triangle was tracked on radar for 10 mins between 9.55 and 10.05pm. Bryan Haslams statement is quite clear in the police.s own log of the incident. When on the morning of the 25th March, Mr Bryan Haslam contacted the police re: there request for information which was transmitted over all the local radio stations on the morning of the 25th March about the evening of the 24th March, they were asking for witnesses to come forward regarding what I might add were the substantial reports received from the public to the police regarding a plane crash the night before. As of yet despite various attempts no one has been able to contact Mr Haslam. However from the police log of the incident this is what he said. 32 03/25 11.39 14NC3341 OPE Call from Bryan Haslam 5 Coronation Mount West Lane Keighly Tel ***** ****** Yesterday approx 19.40 travelling on a train back home .States around the Barnsley area saw a triangle shaped object with lights all around it hovering. Does not think it was a plane thinks we are wasting our time. Frank I also supplied the links to the Belgian incident which was confirmed by senior military people thousands of credible wittneses. The reality is they are real, flying around the World. I do not know who owns them yet. Until I meet the pilot or get a confirmation from a primary source backed up by evidence. We can speculate, some think its aliens, some think there military, some think its both. I dont know as I said. The reality is Flying Triangle Shaped Craft are flying around with whatever the technology is. It gives the appearance of the control of gravity and maybe thats what it is. As sure as eggs are eggs they are real. M

Frank, that a jet crashed that night while interacting with a triangle shaped object. I dont know who owns the triangles. They exist. Im just trying to prove the jet crashed and was covered up at this point. proving that will open up more questions. m

The Titanium engine parts are from a Jet, All this chatting about radiation, aliens etc hmmm. Bank Hollidays cant beat um.

Tony maybe it was. I dont know who owns them this incident happened. Until I meet the pilot or have a conversation with a primary source. We just dont know who owns them. The investigation continues M

Yes thank you auto98uk. As a moderator, I would have thought you would have had a more informed sweeping statement. Than just your plain uninformed sweeping statement. Please if you cannot say anything constructive to this conversation on this thread then why bother? m

Frank, sounds fantastic a week in a tent away from the humdrum of daily life. Big Sigh yes there were many strange things going on that night. Skiptor or Digger please contact me. M

Frank, sounds fantastic a week in a tent away from the humdrum of daily life. Big Sigh yes there were many strange things going on that night. Skiptor or Digger please contact me. M