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  1. Unfortunately the current coverage is a reduced temporary network with an emergency covid-19 timetable funded by government based on demand for essential travel, agreed with SYPTE and the City Region Mayor.


    I'm guessing the view has been taken the 95/95a is enough to cater for the majority of key workers and other essential travel in the Wincobank area given the limited taxpayer funds available to support buses in the area and the 36 will be reviewed when social distancing requirements are removed. Perhaps the local community should follow the lead of Stocksbridge residents who got together and lobbied their MP and councillor to get the current routes adapted to fill gaps left unserved.

  2. 6 hours ago, nanoffive said:

    Thank you. I haven't been on a bus for the last 3 months, so was a bit bewildered  by the change. I think I will wait a few days, it sounds as though it will be easier then. Thanks again. 

    Apparently the road opened this afternoon, so the stops towards Woodhouse are:


    - usual stops on Glossop Road and West Street

    - Carver Street

    - Moorhead (Furnival Gate)

    - usual stops on Arundel Gate


    The stops on Carver Street and Moorhead replace the stops on Leopold Street and Pinstone Street.


    Going in the other direction towards Crookes the route is unchanged (ie via Church Street and West Street).


    Social distancing arrangements are in place on board buses, avoid seats marked out of use, also government have made wearing face coverings mandatory for passengers on public transport (except for some exemptions for certain health conditions, young children etc) and you are asked to avoid using cash to buy tickets and instead pay by contactless or buy online.

  3. 15 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

    It does all sound like re-inventing South Yorkshire County Council (b. 1974- d.1985). As first created, it took-over all Districts' bus functions- except that Barnsley did not have one, so that left Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster only. SYPTE as operator begat SYT which begat Mainline which First bought-out.

    Kind of...


    We already have SYPTE responsible for public transport across all South Yorkshire and we also now have the Sheffield City Region Mayor looking after bigger picture strategy for certain areas like transport and regeneration. It does make sense for the same organisation planning roads, development and public transport so they all fit together.


    There are comments in the report about new developments being built with no public transport infrastructure (including huge housing estates with no roads big enough to get a bus down!) There is also the comment in the report about Sheffield City Council hiding behind SYPTE to avoid taking any responsibility towards public transport.


    With our elected SCR Mayor being Labour he is towing the party line somewhat talking about public sector control of the bus network with things like bus franchising (basically the bus operating businesses would be running all services under contract to the local authority rather than as commercial enterprises) however the report does include a word of caution - First South Yorkshire has been losing money, so if the public sector took over then just to maintain the same level of service either the taxpayer would have to stump up more funding or fares would have to go up significantly. Dan Jarvis does come across as reasonably smart and business like so I'm sure he'll understand this.

  4. 41 minutes ago, Bargepole23 said:

    Or they could wait until the way is clear so they don't have to overtake on a crossing.


    Certainly, waiting in the rain for a bus is one of the biggest problems the world is facing right now. It would have better to have not put the measures in place which allow a bit of social distancing, left the shops closed, until we can get some bus shelters up. Yeah?


    What is needed is a bit of realization that organisations are operating with limited staff, in difficult working conditions, people working from home or furloughed, trying to buy materials from companies in the same position, trying to put in place measures which nobody have considered 6 months ago.


    So much for that spirit of cooperation and all pulling together eh.

    although of course the measures remove the ability of bus passengers to socially distance. Stops in spacious areas (Leopold Street and Peace Gardens) have been replaced with that narrow pavement on Carver Street!


    The bus stops on Furnival Gate, replacing those on Pinstone Street, are key stops for people getting to the shops. Except that the road hasn't opened yet. Leopold Street and Pinstone Street shouldn't have been closed until their replacement was open!

  5. 14 hours ago, nanoffive said:

    Andy C, please can you tell me if the Carver street  stop is the right stop for me to alight for The Moor, from the 52A. Where does this bus stop next, after Carver street? Thanks. 

    At the moment... yes (assuming you are coming from the Crookes direction).


    After Carver Street it should be Furnival Gate (ie top of the Moor), at the time of writing that road was still closed, it is due to open in the next day or two, after that it is the normal stops on Arundel Gate.

  6. A photo of the new bus stops on Carver Street that has replaced the ones on Leopold Street/Pinstone Street for social distancing...


    You will observe the following "features"

    - narrow pavement

    - no shelters

    - no timetable information, printed or electronic

    - no safety notices

    - no tactile paving




    Whilst the ones on Furnival Gate that aren't in use until the council finish building the road aren't much better...




    (photos from http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/)

  7. The satisfaction survey was carried out by Transport Focus, an independent organisation there to represent passengers that does this survey work across all bus, train and tram nationally every year.


    Handling service disruption including customer communication has been a hot topic across the public transport industry as long as I can remember.


    For a small operating company like Supertram resource is limited and of course when there is disruption the main focus is operational - dealing with the incident that is causing the disruption and directing drivers and rolling stock to try and get them back in the right places. On a railway system, unlike buses, there is much more limitation too, you cannot generally  just divert via an alternative route when there is a blockage. In terms of passenger information I would suggest there has been much improvement at Supertram in recent years with network controllers now issuing service updates via Twitter to advise passengers and in the case of major disruption on call managers can now post update messages onto the platform screens. When sections of the tramway are closed by an incident it has always been the case that the controllers will attempt to make arrangements with bus and/or train operators to accept tram tickets in the affected areas with Stagecoach Yorkshire generally always being accommodating being owned by the same parent company. There are also processes in place with First bus and Northern Railway.

  8. 14 minutes ago, Resident said:

    So what you're saying is that if I were to tell you your house is being decorated and then I rocked up and painted it pink floor to roof, with no input from you or your partner, we discussed that did we? 


    As for the suggestion that the council are looking at the bigger picture. The council has time and time again proven to act with myopic tunnel vision, often missing the forest because of the trees. 


    I also note that I gave 5 points of contestation to your post yet you've ignore the majority.


    Congestion charge, Clean Aiz zone, whatever you want to call it, two sides of the same coin. 

    I agree and disagree with some of this in various shades.


    The main issue I have with the Clean Air Zone is that private cars are exempt but extra costs are being piled on to public transport, taxis and tradesmen, an environmental initiative that encourages car use seems misguided to me!


    I think in terms of the temporary Covid-19 initiatives it is unfair to say the council hasn't considered the bigger picture. On a short timescale and reliant on government funding, a lot of work has clearly gone in to planning changes to the road layouts including new bus routes and stops and provision for deliveries etc to shops in the affected area, all to help the City Centre economy start rebooting. The actual plan looks fine to me. The issue is the implementation - not all the work was done in time for the 15th June changes and this has seriously impacted on the delivery of bus services. The council seems good at lecturing bus operators on the quality and reliability of their service but seems incapable or unwilling to play their part in that.


    Seems to be more and more examples that suggest the council aren't supportive of public transport and are keen to be seen as the motorists friend.

  9. 11 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

    How do you know it is behind schedule? When was it scheduled to take place?


    Remember this is being done because the government are funding it. The funding initiative and the bidding work needed was all to a very tight timescale and didn’t give councils a lot of chance to organise everything. It’s an emergency response, which will be why they haven’t got it all done yet. Also there are of course restrictions on when work can be carried out in sensitive locations like the city centre that everyone including the council have to work to, so that limits how much  can be done.

    I'd like to think it would have been scheduled to be done for 15th June. It hasn't been finished in time.


    Leopold Street and Pinstone Street closed on 15th June. Alternative route via Furnival Gate still not open!

  10. 1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

    I wonder what happened to the much trumpeted SCC / bus operators 'Transport Partnership', signed a few years ago, that was going to revolutionise public transport in Sheffield with improved transport links, better connectivity, a generally better bus service for the city as a whole? 

    Its still going, now branded as "Buses for Sheffield".

    You can find the all operator bus map here: https://travelsouthyorkshire.com/en-gb/journeyplanning/public-transport-maps#bus

    You can find the all operator tickets here:  https://sytravelmaster.com/


    The bus operators have been doing their bit investing in modern buses as much as possible for example. The public sector partners - Sheffield City Council and SYPTE perhaps less so thanks to funding cuts. This has meant those socially necessary but loss making services that are subsidised and put out to tender and been scaled back. Travel shops have been closed. Bus stop maintenance has been reduced. Bus priority measures are not being properly enforced. Bus reliability and journey times are suffering due to road traffic congestion. 


    Something mentioned in the report is the local planning policy issue being campaigned on nationally - councils are granting planning permission to housing developments where the entire estate has roads that aren't suitable for buses, making them car dependent, with the resulting impact on traffic congestion. Likewise new business parks are allowed to be built out of town with no consideration for public transport provision.


    Another issue may well prove to be that tickets are too cheap as well. Compare the cost of a weekly commuter pass in Sheffield with well regarded award winning operators in the Nottingham/Derby area..

  11. a big frustration here is just how behind schedule all this work is.


    The council has closed Leopold and Pinstone Street and imposed other restrictions and changes on 15th June to aid social distancing to allow the shops to reopen as planned. This is of course the right thing to do.


    However you'd think the new bus route and bus stops would also have been built ready for the 15th June...

  12. 48 minutes ago, Michael_N said:

    Bus companies will be rubbing their hands together. Getting paid to run the service (as in London) rather than taking financial risk themselves. They will make even more money from it being run/governed by the local authorities. Yet we will have folk out even more as there will need to be increased taxes to cover the costs of the operation!

    If you've read the document you will have seen the point that the likes of First are losing a lot of money in South Yorkshire, not making money, and if the public sector took over then it would be the taxpayer rather than shareholders funding that loss!


    There is a lot in there aimed at the local authorities rather than bus companies such as


    - poor reliability is caused by congestion and there are examples of bus priority measures not being enforced (such as parking in bus lanes).

    - with SYPTE looking after public transport implementation, the councils have used that as an excuse to take no responsibility

    - allowing planning permission for new housing estates and business parks to be built without any public transport infrastructure

    - repeated funding cuts meaning less tendered socially necessary bus services, closure of travel shops, reduced quality information, reduced infrastructure maintenance etc

    - railway stations without convenient bus connections

    - promoting car parks rather than public transport


  13. This has now been published. https://sheffieldcityregion.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Bus-Review-Report-June-2020.pdf


    A few themes of its findings:

    - frequency

    - reliability issues caused by congestion and slow journey times

    - buses need to play a bigger part in reducing road transport emissions and tackling climate change

    - buses are not integrated into crucial associated policy areas such as housing development and spatial planning

    - inadequate connectivity between different modes of transport

    - handling of service changes

    - ticket choice overwhelming, not always confident of getting best value option

    - varying quality of experience in bus stop infrastructure, information, accessibility, ticket sales and vehicles themselves

    - local authorities showing lack of leadership and accountability along with inadequate public funding from the government



  14. 44 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

    I'm sure Planner1  will be along to defend this action, but as you say, they really must do better. To be honest I have no idea what they are trying to do there - bus lay-bye 'coned off', pile of un-compacted tarmac and severely obstructed road.

    As I have better things to do than read blogs - especially the dross created by SCC - what road are we on?

    The blog is a public transport experience blog by a retired guy (with experience both in the industry and as a passenger) that lives in Seaton but retains an interest in Sheffield as he went to University here.


    Its Arundel Gate.


    It does frustrate me that the council and politicians lecture bus companies about the service they provide yet do things like this! Is there any point in operators investing in modern buses when the roads and stops are substandard?

  15. 1 hour ago, Resident said:

    That pic isn't representative of what they have done. They've created tarmac outcrops which makes me think they're intending this to be more permanent than they're letting on. 

    Another picture lifted from the same blog better showing said outcrop, or more perhaps more accurately described as a pile of tarmac dumped between bus stops.


    If we want Sheffield's public transport system to be a quality option then we really must do better than this!



  16. 5 hours ago, Cyclecar said:

    My wife needed to visit Boots on the High Street yesterday, for prescriptions and the optician. After noting all these posts, I drove to Norfolk Street to drop her off. Norfolk Street is now a dead end, with consequent U-turns, etc., but it now remains the only road adjacent to the city centre shops, other than the zig zag past John Lewis. 


    As virus 'restrictions' are eased I can see this becoming a total log jam, as it is also the access for multi storey car parks.


    All as planned, some will say............

    To be fair I guess with time people will change habits as they become familiar with the new layout and may choose new favourite spots for drop off or pick up, on the other hand it may not be an issue as there shouldn't be any through traffic on there anymore, just access to businesses and the NCP car park. A potential problem is that on Arundel Gate approaching Castle Square there is now only one lane for traffic as the bus lane has now become the bus stops with the bus laybys now a pedestrian area (the Public Transport Experience blog I follow mentioned that today!  http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.com/2020/06/virus-variety-part-2.html ). There are already reports of the fact that if a bus turns up and has to wait for another bus already occupying the stop to depart then the whole road is now blocked - as well as the quality of the bus travel experience being degraded.



    The council have maps here: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/home/roads-pavements/changes-footpaths-highways-covid-19.html


  17. I've not had any reason or opportunity to visit the City Centre myself but looking at comments online the new bus routes are operating reasonably OK but the following issues are highlighted:

    • the council hasn't finished work to open the revised route via Furnival Gate to buses in time but closed Leopold Street and Pinstone Street regardless, this has meant a circuitous diversion via Moorfoot which is causing buses to run late and in the case of route 30 to run at a reduced frequency.
    •  There is a lot of confusion as to which buses stop at which stops on Arundel Gate which has led passengers to wait for their buses at the wrong stop and see their bus go sailing past them. The numbering of the stops isn't logical and the information for passengers could be improved.

    Buses and stops on Arundel Gate, in geographal order heading from Castle Square tram stop towards Eyre Street roundabout:

    AG12 (near Castle Square) - buses 5, 43, 44, X17

    AG9 (outside convenience store) -  buses 10a, 20, 24, 25

    AG13 (outside Hallam University) - buses 80, X1, X10

    AG123 (outside O2 Academy) - buses 1, 11, 11a

    AG124 (outside Odeon Cinema) - buses 75, 76, 76a, 86, 97, 98

    AG10 (top of Howard Street) - buses 5, 10a, 20, 24, 25, 43, 44, X17

    CS1 (opposite Roebuck Tavern) - buses 5, 10a, 20, 24, 25, 43, 44, 80, X1, X10

    CS123 (by roundabout) - buses 1, 11, 11a, 75, 76, 76a, 86, 97, 98

  18. 3 hours ago, Baron99 said:

    It won't take a genius to realise that If you cram all the buses, commercial & private vehicles on to two carriageways on either side of Arundel Gate & Eyre St., then that's going to cause increased congestion, if left this way, after the COVID-19 situation abates. 


    Primarily the complaints will come from delayed bus passenger & bus companies.  Then what is the solution to the problem?  Reducing one carriageway on  the inbound / outbound of both Arundel Gate & Eyre St.,  by then installing bus lanes to increase to flow of public transport? 


    But the problem still remains that you've forced traffic levels on to a smaller number of city centre roads & you still have a bottleneck / pinch point for traffic flow at the Arundel Gate / Eyre St. roundabout. 

    I'm not sure in terms of traffic within the City Centre it will be a huge issue in normal circumstances (ie no breakdowns/incidents/roadworks blocking roads) as the West Street/Pinstone Street bus route is simply moved to the new route of West Street/Carver Street/Furnival Gate and the High Street/Pinstone Street bus routes moved onto Arundel Gate shouldn't be beyond the capacity of the road, other than the many traffic light controlled pedestrian crossings. The design of the City Centre for access by cars/vans etc is to arrive on the inner ring road then into the appropriate car park or loading bay and the only traffic on Leopold Street/Pinstone Street other than bikes/buses/taxis are generally just accessing a business or the John Lewis car park.


    My wider issue is the attitude towards buses (and to a lesser extend trams and trains) being portrayed as something unclean that you should avoid and only use as a last resort and potentially (I honestly don't know what has been provided on Carver Street) bus stops with shelters, seating and electronic information boards replaced by a temporary sign in the middle of a pavement. With all this in mind will people consider using public transport when normality returns? If not that will not only congest roads across the city with extra car journeys but also hit the financial viability of operating a good bus/tram/train service.


    Now to recap the buses on each corridor through the City Centre...


    Buses 1, 11, 11a, 75, 76, 76a, 81, 82, 83, 83a, 86, 88, 97, 98: will no longer serve High Street/Leopold Street/Pinstone Street and stop on Arundel Gate instead. These join other buses already using Arundel Gate: 5, 10a, 20, 24, 25, 43, 44, 80, X1, X10, X17


    Buses 6, 30, 30a, 51, 52, 52a, 95, 95a, 120,  271, 273, 274, 275, X5: will turn off West Street onto Carver Street (where the new bus stops are) instead of Leopold Street/Pinstone Street then head down Wellingon Street and Rockingham Street to rejoin the old route on Charter Row.


    Buses and trams have increased most services to reflect more people travelling to shops, work, school etc this week.

  19. Whilst there is social distancing regulations in force to fight Covid-19 then this has to happen - otherwise the shops cannot open as the pavements aren't wide enough - pedestrians need to be able to pass each other safely and there is also potential queues outside shops. Another reason is to accommodate an increase in cycling as an alternative to public transport whilst seating capacity is reduced on buses, trains and trams for social distancing. These sort of initiatives are happening nationwide with funding from the government.


    The question is, after all this will the road layouts and bus routes return to the way they were pre Covid? It is quite possible I suppose people may think the City Centre is a more pleasant place to visit as a result of the changes and the changes could become permanent.


    My worry with these changes is how much bigger picture considerations are built into the plans and thinking. There is a lot of talk of encouraging people not to travel by public transport during lockdown due to safety measures limiting capacity but once everything returns to normal we need to ensure that the facilities (eg bus stops) provided for passengers in the City Centre reflect the desire to have a public transport system that is  seen as attractive, quality, convenient and reliable that gets well used, including by those who have a choice, because otherwise way too many people will go by car instead which will mean either congested, nightmare roads or shoppers shunning the City Centre (or both).

  20. Changes to buses in the City Centre due to the closure of Leopold Street/Pinstone Street:


    Buses 1, 11, 11a, 75, 76, 76a, 81, 82, 83, 83a, 86, 88, 97, 98: will no longer serve High Street/Leopold Street/Pinstone Street and stop on Arundel Gate instead.

    stop AG12 (near Castle Square) - routes 5, 43, 44, X17

    stop AG9 (outside convenience store) - routes 10a, 20, 24, 25

    stop AG13 (outside Hallam University) - routes 80, X1, X10

    stop AG123 (outside O2 Academy) - routes 1, 11, 11a

    stop AG124 (outside Odeon Cinema) - routes 75, 76, 76a, 86, 97, 98

    stop AG10 (top of Howard Street) - routes 5, 10a, 20, 24, 25, 43, 44, X17

    stop CS1 (opposite Roebuck Tavern) - routes 5, 10a, 20, 24, 25, 43, 44, 80, X1, X10

    stop CS123 (by roundabout) - routes 1, 11, 11a, 75, 76, 76a, 86, 97, 98


    Buses 6, 30, 30a, 51, 52, 52a, 95, 95a, 120,  271, 273, 274, 275, X5: will no longer serve Leopold Street/Pinstone Street and stop on Carver Street instead. There are 5 bus stands on Carver Street (buses set down on the West Street end and pick up on the Wellington Street end):

    stop CA1 - set down only

    stop CA2 - set down only

    stop CA3 - pick up routes 30, 30a, 52, 52a, X5

    stop CA4 - pick up routes 120

    stop CA5 - pick up routes 6, 51, 95, 95a, 273, 274, 275


    Both sets of routes rejoin their normal route at Eyre Street roundabout (except for the 51 which is as normal from Cumberland Street). Note that for the next week or so there are likely to be delays on buses running via Carver Street as the council are behind with the roadworks to open up Furnival Gate to buses, meaning a circuitous detour via Moorfoot is necessary.


    Buses that run High Street > Church Street > West Street continue on normal route but some bus stops on High Street/Church Street have been changed.


    New bus routes: https://travelsouthyorkshire.com/en-gb/news/f1e521f2-f2c4-4289-8914-947fb3628505

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