drummonds

go on have another go. you'll convince yourself in a while. then you can set about convincing others.

just looking at the weekend opinion poll from comres. it doesn't seen to show much of a corbyn bounce. http://comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/IoS-SM_Political-Poll_October-2015.pdf

spot on. we import around 2 million motor vehicles every year. it's not as though they are cheaper or even better than those built in britain. they are bought in thousands by folk who work in engineering companies that make components for uk cars and then they will moan when there are layoffs due to low orders. go to a steelworks and the car parks are full of cars built with foreign steel. some years ago i was in the north east talking to football supporters who were upset that the local steel company had dropped the sponsorship of the club... the reason....the club imported german steel to build the new stands. if folk won't support their own jobs i don't see why the government should be asked to tax the rest of us to bale them out either. certainly not when there is no market for what they produce.

and you get your "facts" from where exactly? ---------- Post added 18-10-2015 at 11:12 ---------- i'm not sure that's quite true. in the referendum just over 50% of folk voted against and just under 50% voted for. in the general election 50% of scotts voted snp and 50% voted for other parties. i'm not sure what can be concluded from that. my suspicion is the scots played a canny game. they got lots of goodies from westminster as part of the staying in the union deal. if you look beyond the snp standing for nothing more than independence and view their voters as a localised interest group it makes more sense. why go independent and have to pay your own bills when by causing a fuss you can get the english to pay them for you?

i link to polls where the majority of the population doubt labour's economic credibility. you agree they have no credibility. i agree they have no credibility. the recent about face on the deficit destroys their credibility. labour mps do tv and newspaper interviews saying they lack economic credibility. what would be a reasoned conclusion to draw in your opinion? ---------- Post added 18-10-2015 at 10:55 ---------- actually posting at vodka o'clock like you did is monumentally stupid. particularly as you mucked up folk's posts and included diametrically opposite views. that indicates that it is you who is the absolute moron, and monumentally stupid to boot.

it was terrible how the gaslamp lighters were not helped one bit when they hit hard times. now it is almost impossible to find anyone with a candle on the end of a 20 foot poll should the street light outside your house need lighting. and don't get me started on knocker-uppers.

How many labour mps are in the pay of the co-op bank.

please link to back up this lie.

according to the polls labour had no economic credibility before this blew up. they have now put the issue totally beyond doubt. it is good of you to give me the chance to bring it to the fore again. you should hear what nicola sturgeon says about labour's economic credibility. you could post it on here. i'm off out but i could do it for you tomorrow if you ask nicely.

according to the telegraph. Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership campaign was part-funded by a man closely aligned to the terror group Hamas, the Telegraph can reveal. The Labour leader made an inaccurate declaration to Parliamentary authorities about the payment which obscured the donor’s true identity. Ibrahim Hamami, a vitriolic opponent of the Oslo peace accords and a supporter of the current wave of stabbings of Jews in Israel, gave £2,000 to Mr Corbyn in August, one of only three main individual donors to his campaign. Two of the three have now been exposed as supporters of terror. ---------- Post added 17-10-2015 at 20:40 ---------- do you know that bernie was a mate of roy james (great train robber). he was a jeweller and made trophies including for grand prix winners.

i was taking a look at the latest opinion polls to see how the corbyn effect and new leader bounce was panning out. it seems labour have lost further ground to ukip, tories and snp. i was wondering if the labour party would take the opportunity of being trounced in the hollyrood elections in may to ditch corbyn and mcdonald or whether they would wait until they are trounced in the general election in 2020 before admitting they appointed another limp willie.

i would imagine that would depend on how long it had been in safekeeping before someone decided they needed to take a look at it.

i suppose that depends on where we intended fighting that war. seeing as most of our planes are foreign colaborations and most of our ships are built overseas and take decades to complete, and most of the kit is made from imported aluminium, imported plastics, imported electronics or other imported materials. I doubt it really matters unless you envisage us designing a new range of steel battle tanks and building them as the russians come up the beaches. if we intended to fight the war overseas i'm struggling to see what difference it would make.

but we would be allowed to buy austin allegros at only £50,000 a pop in the knowledge that we were helping folk to catch up on their sleep during the night shift..

well it is pretty simple. a subsidy has to come from somewhere. so subsidise one industry and all the rest have to pay for it. we can't all earn £15/hour and expect to compete with other nations who don't. so we could reopen the coal mines and pay hundreds of thousands of miners £500/week to pile up coal that no one wants. we could pay hundreds of thousands of steel workers £500/week to make steel that we don't want. but if we did that everything else we make now would be so expensive no one in our export markets would buy it. it is a tough life but if our steel works cannot make competitively priced steel, because of wages, material costs, energy costs etc then it is better they find something else that they can do that will compete. or we ban imported goods and all get used to paying 3 times as much for everything. steel is heavy stuff and is expensive to ship so uk made steel has a big advantage in the uk market. but any uk steel workers who prefer to buy an imported volkswagen made with foreign steel than a uk car made from uk steel, they won't get sympathy from me.