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This is a sum for primary school children which millions of Adults couldn't get right. Can you?
You have 3 parcels
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
The three parcels weigh 800gms altogether
Parcel A weighs 250gms
How much does parcel C weigh?
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400gms......................
so C is half the weight of the total of 800 = 400
why do we need the weight of A? or am I missing something?
This si the sort of problem displayed at my lad's secondary school, so i don't know why they say its for primary school. Primary school for Oxbridge potentials perhaps? Might have been more sensionalist if they said it was for mums & baby's classes
rubydazzler 05032012, 13:48 400gms......................That can't be right, can it? Because I would have said that as well, and I'm rubbish at maths. And if millions of adults can't get it right, why would we two be any different?
No, it must be more complicated than that. :)
barleycorn 05032012, 13:52 A + B = C and A = 250 so...
(1) B  C = 250
A + B + C = 800 and A = 250 so...
(2) B + C = 550
(2)  (1)
B + C = 550
B  C = 250 
2C = 800
C = 400
B = 150
jb
A+B+C=800
A+B=C
so C+C=800
C=400
Why do we need to know how much A weighs?
barleycorn 05032012, 14:00 A+B+C=800
A+B=C
so C+C=800
C=400
Why do we need to know how much A weighs?
So that you can waste your doing doing it the long way like I did. D'oh.
jb
A+B+C=800
A+B=C
so C+C=800
C=400
Why do we need to know how much A weighs?
You don't in my day :o you wouldn't have it would have been.....
You have 3 parcels
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
The three parcels weigh 800gms altogether
How much does parcel C weigh?
even then we would have p'd ourselves at how easy that was:hihi:
splodgeyAl 05032012, 14:09 A+B+C=800
A+B=C
so C+C=800
C=400
Why do we need to know how much A weighs?
So that you can waste your doing doing it the long way like I did. D'oh.
jbIndeed. Or maybe the problem with these socalled "elementary maths problems that adults can't do" is that the question is badly written that it confuses people?
alchresearch 05032012, 14:18 Indeed. Or maybe the problem with these socalled "elementary maths problems that adults can't do" is that the question is badly written that it confuses people?
I agree, the weight of parcel A clouded things a little for me. It's a meaningless fact in the equation, but I started to wonder if parcels A and B are the same size and weight.
Is this maths or English comprehension?
Phanerothyme 05032012, 14:25 Is this maths or English comprehension?
Both.
Rarely in life do mathematical problems present themselves in algebraic notation.
HeadingNorth 05032012, 15:09 I suspect that this problem has been set with a typographical error. Otherwise it is both ridiculously easy, and has extraneous information is it. The only reason anyone would struggle with it is because they would assume that the blindingly obvious answer must somehow be wrong, since it doesn't require the weight of parcel A to obtain it.
Alcoblog 05032012, 16:07 It's obvious that it would be impossible to work out the answer without knowing what was inside the parcels.
Maybe it would be possible to cut down the weight of parcel 'C' (it may contain some chocolate which could be eaten a bit) to save on the cost of postage?
The only possible way of solving this brain teaser is to take parcels 'B' and 'C' to the Post Office and have them weighed.
rossyrooney 05032012, 16:12 is it 15?.................
alchresearch 05032012, 16:27 Shouldn't the puzzle have been:
You have 3 parcels.
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
What time will the postman sneak up to your house and put in a "sorry you weren't in" card through the letterbox without disturbing you because he couldn't be bothered carrying it from the depot?
What are the odds of all parcels being damaged or opened by Royal Mail?
is it 15?.................
Well done.Your prize is in the post.
llamatron 05032012, 17:11 Shouldn't the puzzle have been:
You have 3 parcels.
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
What time will the postman sneak up to your house and put in a "sorry you weren't in" card through the letterbox without disturbing you because he couldn't be bothered carrying it from the depot?
What are the odds of all parcels being damaged or opened by Royal Mail?
you forgot "lost"
rubydazzler 05032012, 17:13 I suspect that this problem has been set with a typographical error. Otherwise it is both ridiculously easy, and has extraneous information is it. The only reason anyone would struggle with it is because they would assume that the blindingly obvious answer must somehow be wrong, since it doesn't require the weight of parcel A to obtain it.That's what I meant when I posted @ #4
Either that or poppet was lying when she said millions of people got it wrong :)
HTM_1983 05032012, 17:20 I think the idea of knowing parcel A's weight it to throw you slightly and probably why some adults get it wrong as they may think that A and B are the same so therefor would get C's weight wrong. . . . .
WasThatWise 05032012, 17:29 If a plus b weigh the same as c then both a plus b AND c weigh 400gms So if a weighs 250 then b weighs 400 minus 250 which is 150 can't tell you what the postage costs will be though.
auto98uk 05032012, 17:32 To know there were millions of people who got this wrong I assume this has to be part of a news story somewhere, and yet I can't find it anywhere on the internet...
Are we actually doing your homework poppet2?
Jeffrey Shaw 05032012, 17:35 Maybe the real question was supposed to ask the weight of B (not C)?
Jeffrey Shaw 05032012, 17:37 To know there were millions of people who got this wrong I assume this has to be part of a news story somewhere, and yet I can't find it anywhere on the internet...
Yes, there was a BBC website a couple of days ago re this news item.
For the Daily Telegraph report, see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/mathsreform/9115665/NumeracyCampaign17madultsstrugglewithprimaryschoolmaths.html
For the originator ('National Numeracy'), see http://www.nationalnumeracy.org.uk/news/9/index.htmlindex.html
auto98uk 05032012, 17:40 Yes, a BBC news item.
You got a link?
edit: incidentally, just done exactly the same google search which previously brought this thread up as the top result, but the SF one has now vanished from the results.
Maybe the real question was supposed to ask the weight of B (not C)?
Some of us were taught maths which was supposed to have been given some context... leaving some of the class still unable to sort out which bits of real life needed to be taken into consideration and which bits ignored in order to actually use the learned skills in real life. This way kids are learning to sort out which pieces of information are relevant and which to ignore  a much better way of going about teaching if you ask me :)
auto98uk 05032012, 17:45 Just found this page: http://www.thatquiz.org/tq/previewtest?L/T/F/X/02731308937894
The question is on there, but asking for the weight of parcel B, not C
Jeffrey Shaw 05032012, 17:50 Just found this page: http://www.thatquiz.org/tq/previewtest?L/T/F/X/02731308937894
The question is on there, but asking for the weight of parcel B, not C
Aha! See my spookily prescient post #23.
Maybe the real question was supposed to ask the weight of B (not C)?
Sorry everyone, a typing error, well spotted. Question asked for the weight of B.
Personally, I prefer who dunnit murder mysteries.
Jeffrey Shaw 05032012, 18:00 Sorry everyone, a typing error, well spotted. Question asked for the weight of B.
Personally, I prefer who dunnit murder mysteries.
The answer is often Agatha Christie.
rubydazzler 05032012, 18:05 Sorry everyone, a typing error, well spotted. Question asked for the weight of B.
Personally, I prefer who dunnit murder mysteries.d'oh, :rolleyes:
Whose mistake was it, that's caused us all the waste of time? Yours or the paper?
The answer is often Agatha Christie.
King of them all has to be, 'Columbo'.'
Alcoblog 05032012, 19:54 Parcel 'B' obviously weighs 0.002755778273 of a pound or 0.00012302581595 of a ton (British) I think the parcel weight conundrum's been covered from every angle now ... pretty simple stuff.:)
corgigasman 05032012, 20:07 If 'millions of adults' can not do the A,B,C parcel sum then WHO collected the statistics ? LOl. Prefer to think of kids doing times tables like I did myself rather than poorly worded, misleading questions. Can detect a soap box somewhere lol
so C is half the weight of the total of 800 = 400
why do we need the weight of A? or am I missing something?
This si the sort of problem displayed at my lad's secondary school, so i don't know why they say its for primary school. Primary school for Oxbridge potentials perhaps? Might have been more sensionalist if they said it was for mums & baby's classes
The weight of A is added as a distractor,so as to confuse the weaker scholars.
Is this maths or English comprehension?
It is both,since all questions have some written content.
If 'millions of adults' can not do the A,B,C parcel sum then WHO collected the statistics ?
Many exam questions are multiple chioice and therefore marking is done by a computer.
If 'millions of adults' can not do the A,B,C parcel sum then WHO collected the statistics ? LOl. Prefer to think of kids doing times tables like I did myself rather than poorly worded, misleading questions. Can detect a soap box somewhere lol
Anyone can recite tables,but problemsolving requires the ability to discriminate and think laterally.Many questions are ambiguous giving the respondent far greater scope.
WasThatWise 05032012, 23:18 If a plus b weigh the same as c then both a plus b AND c weigh 400gms So if a weighs 250 then b weighs 400 minus 250 which is 150 can't tell you what the postage costs will be though.
I read the question wrong, the question turned out to be wrong and I got the answer right, who says two rights don't make a wrong?
Damn that should be two wrongs don't make a right so now I have three wrongs maybe I'll start a thread asking what three wrongs make unless someone thinks that would be wrong in which case I would then have four wrongs.
I read the question wrong, the question turned out to be wrong and I got the answer right, who says two rights don't make a wrong?
True :) I had to read the OP three times as it did not make sense. The question had to be wrong and it was. :hihi:
Anyone can recite tables,but problemsolving requires the ability to discriminate and think laterally.Many questions are ambiguous giving the respondent far greater scope.
I agree, such problem solving mirrors everyday life situations which contributes to lateral thinking.
auto98uk 06032012, 14:37 True :) I had to read the OP three times as it did not make sense. The question had to be wrong and it was. :hihi:
It makes perfect sense, it is just too easy and has superfluous information.
True :) I had to read the OP three times as it did not make sense. The question had to be wrong and it was. :hihi:
Funny how some people managed to answer it though... :)
Phanerothyme 06032012, 14:59 Funny how some people managed to answer it though... :)
Not only that but answer the question as written correctly.
Funny how some people managed to answer it though... :)
It was not impossible to answer just took a little more working out. :)
barleycorn 06032012, 15:57 I agree, such problem solving mirrors everyday life situations which contributes to lateral thinking.
I am 37 years old and despite numerous visits to the post office I have never been faced with a situation in any way similar to the problem posed in the OP.
jb
I am 37 years old and despite numerous visits to the post office I have never been faced with a situation in any way similar to the problem posed in the OP.
jb
Ah, but have you ever sat the post office examination entrance test?
barleycorn 06032012, 16:21 Ah, but have you ever sat the post office examination entrance test?
Judging by some post offices I've been to it's the ones that fail who are given the jobs.
jb
Jeffrey Shaw 06032012, 17:30 Ah, but have you ever sat the post office examination entrance test?
It must be written in post code.
Question for the OP: so what is the answer?
gaz_no12 06032012, 18:17 This type of thing always annoys me... how can so many adults not be able to do this. Lets just hope they pass this onto their kids
This type of thing always annoys me... how can so many adults not be able to do this. Lets just hope they pass this onto their kids
So what's the answer?
So what's the answer?
It's been shown here that the question was wrong!
Either way, whosoever is struggling with it have only got a primary understanding of basic maths (or worse!).
splodgeyAl 06032012, 18:37 It's been shown here that the question was wrong!
Either way, whosoever is struggling with it have only got a primary understanding of basic maths (or worse!).The question is only wrong in so far as it, sensibly, should have asked for the weight of the other unknown parcel, which meant extraneous information was provided in the question.
However, a natural byproduct of working out the weight of one of the unknown parcels is that you then know the weight of the other
The question is only wrong in so far as it, sensibly, should have asked for the weight of the other unknown parcel, which meant extraneous information was provided in the question.
However, a natural byproduct of working out the weight of one of the unknown parcels is that you then know the weight of the other
Can we have a question involving pulleys next please?
Or would this be the next logical step?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_equations
Question isn't wrong, although my first attempt at it was! I gave the value of B.
If A+B+C=800 and A=250 then 250+150=400 ie. C=400.
Question isn't wrong, although my first attempt at it was! I gave the value of B.
If A+B+C=800 and A=250 then 250+150=400 ie. C=400.
Reread the thread, it was wrong!
Also you're missing a bit in your equation!
Reread the thread, it was wrong!
Also you're missing a bit in your equation!
Please explain what what was wrong.
Please explain what what was wrong.
You left out this bit:
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
As to the question being wrong:
Just found this page: http://www.thatquiz.org/tq/previewtest?L/T/F/X/02731308937894
The question is on there, but asking for the weight of parcel B, not C
Which makes sense.
Question isn't wrong, although my first attempt at it was! I gave the value of B.
If A+B+C=800 and A=250 then 250+150=400 ie. C=400.
No I didn't.
splodgeyAl 06032012, 18:51 You left out this bit:
As to the question being wrong:
Which makes sense.But as there are only 3 parcels, you know the weight of one and the total of the three. One would have to be spectacularly daft to calculate B but not know C.
The relevance of which one actually is the answer, only matters if the question is going to be marked, and that mark means something significant in your life, surely?
But as there are only 3 parcels, you know the weight of one and the total of the three. One would have to be spectacularly daft to calculate B but not know C.
The relevance of which one actually is the answer, only matters if the question is going to be marked, and that mark means something significant in your life, surely?
So am I right or wrong?
But as there are only 3 parcels, you know the weight of one and the total of the three. One would have to be spectacularly daft to calculate B but not know C.
The relevance of which one actually is the answer, only matters if the question is going to be marked, and that mark means something significant in your life, surely?
The superfluous information indicates to many that the question was obviously wrong in some way, this was then shown to be the case.
In the OP's example, you don't need to know the weight of A to work out the answer of C, but for B you need to know A.
I'll ask again, am I right or wrong?
I'll ask again, am I right or wrong?
LOL, specifically which bit?
*** have you seen post #60?
splodgeyAl 06032012, 19:11 The superfluous information indicates to many that the question was obviously wrong in some wayIndeed, as I hinted at in post 6.
I'll ask again, am I right or wrong?
You have the right answer to the wrong question, apparently. But the wrong question was asked in this thread, so therefore you have the right answer to the right question (with respect to this thread)
Hope that helps ;)
Question for the OP: so what is the answer?
See answer in post 5 and 57.
These posts include the weight of all parcels in the question.
barleycorn 07032012, 11:50 Can we have a question involving pulleys next please?
Or would this be the next logical step?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_equations
I used simultaneous equations in my answer. And yes, I like to overcomplicate things.
jb
I used simultaneous equations in my answer. And yes, I like to overcomplicate things.
jb
Please explain in binary code.
Please explain in binary code.
there are 10 types of people in this world...those that understand binary and those that don't.. :)
barleycorn 07032012, 12:24 Please explain in binary code.
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jb
Wow! I shall have to consult my Klingon dictonary.
wow! I shall have to consult my klingon dictonary.
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MonkeyLover 08032012, 10:05 Shouldn't the puzzle have been:
You have 3 parcels.
Parcels A and B together weigh the same as parcel C
What time will the postman sneak up to your house and put in a "sorry you weren't in" card through the letterbox without disturbing you because he couldn't be bothered carrying it from the depot?
What are the odds of all parcels being damaged or opened by Royal Mail?
:hihi::hihi::hihi: Brilliant!
Jeffrey Shaw 11032012, 00:22 Wow! I shall have to consult my Klingon dictonary.
And your English dictionary?
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King of them all has to be, 'Columbo'.'
No, he was runner up to Frost
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Jeffrey Shaw 12032012, 14:02 Oh, stop it you two or should that be 'stop it you 10'?
I read the question wrong, the question turned out to be wrong and I got the answer right, who says two rights don't make a wrong?
Damn that should be two wrongs don't make a right so now I have three wrongs maybe I'll start a thread asking what three wrongs make unless someone thinks that would be wrong in which case I would then have four wrongs.
Depends how you write it. Perhaps it could just mean Wrong^3 or if you write it wrong+wrong/wrong, two cancel out, leaving just wrong. I think, I'm afraid, 3 wrongs are just wrong lol.
