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30-05-2012, 11:57
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I'm all for flying flags whatever nationality you are, I have my Union Jack up at the minute and my St Georges at the ready, I'm not really a big royalist but I do like them. I do totally support our troops in everything they do, I'm not really a big football fan but I will watch England and I do still love this country even in its poor sorry state it's in.
So can we a least make the effort if you have bothered to put up a flag make sure it's the right way up!
I drove through Killamarsh this morning to see a row of houses all with there flags out, how nice it looked until I then realised half the flags were upside down.
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30-05-2012, 12:28
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[Pedant Warning]
Unless you're at sea it's the Union Flag, not Union Jack
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30-05-2012, 12:33
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Originally Posted by bears9h
I drove through Killamarsh this morning to see a row of houses all with there flags out, how nice it looked until I then realised half the flags were upside down.
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Perhaps the occupants were in distress? Shame on you sir for not investigating further; for all we know they may well now all be dead. Shame on you.
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30-05-2012, 12:38
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I'm sorry - i'm not one to hang flags normally - which way is the right way round?
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30-05-2012, 12:41
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"In the 18th century the small mast on the bowsprit was replaced by staysails on the stays between the bowsprit and the foremast. By this time the Ensign had become the principal naval distinguishing flag, so it became the practice to fly the Union Jack only in harbour, on a specially rigged staff in the bows of the ships, the jackstaff. It should thus be noted that the jack flag had existed for over a hundred and fifty years before the jack staff came into being, and its name was related to its size rather than to the position in which it was flown.
It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".
Cdr Bruce Nicolls OBE RN (Retd)"
I don't want to argue about it but just did this research maybe its out of date.
The thick white band on the top next to the flag pole.
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30-05-2012, 12:51
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Originally Posted by SnailyBoy
[Pedant Warning]
Unless you're at sea it's the Union Flag, not Union Jack
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Not according to Parliament in 1908. Both names can be used.
Edit - Beaten to it by post above
Last edited by richkent; 30-05-2012 at 12:52.
Reason: See above
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30-05-2012, 14:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnailyBoy
[Pedant Warning]
Unless you're at sea it's the Union Flag, not Union Jack
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Nope, you're wrong.
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It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".
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http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=7.2
jb
ETA: Beaten to it by not reading the whole thread
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Last edited by barleycorn; 30-05-2012 at 14:09.
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30-05-2012, 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tess
I'm sorry - i'm not one to hang flags normally - which way is the right way round?
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Simples.
http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.p...n=7.1.2#index4
jb
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30-05-2012, 14:08
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I stand corrected
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30-05-2012, 14:35
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I stand corrected
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No, you really don't. To refer to any flag as "jack" when it is not being flown from the jack-mast of a ship, is self-evident nonsense. Making it officially nonsense doesn't alter that.
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30-05-2012, 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnailyBoy
[Pedant Warning]
Unless you're at sea it's the Union Flag, not Union Jack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richkent
Not according to Parliament in 1908. Both names can be used.
Edit - Beaten to it by post above
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnailyBoy
I stand corrected
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Originally Posted by HeadingNorth
No, you really don't. To refer to any flag as "jack" when it is not being flown from the jack-mast of a ship, is self-evident nonsense. Making it officially nonsense doesn't alter that.
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I prefer to think I was right 
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30-05-2012, 19:57
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I bet nobody has ever flown the Welsh flag upside down.
And does the cover of Canned Heat's "Future Blues" LP mean anything to anyone? (There must be someone surely. South Yorkshire is a big county.)
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31-05-2012, 06:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by md00071
I bet nobody has ever flown the Welsh flag upside down.
And does the cover of Canned Heat's "Future Blues" LP mean anything to anyone? (There must be someone surely. South Yorkshire is a big county.)
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Or the St George, though in that case how would you know?
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31-05-2012, 06:58
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As a forum legend posted on here the other day ... imagine the word 'yawn' lasered on the surface of the Moon 
Who really cares if it's upside down or wrong way round, what difference does it make to the display? They should have made it symetrical in the first place.
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31-05-2012, 07:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bears9h
I'm all for flying flags whatever nationality you are, I have my Union Jack up at the minute and my St Georges at the ready, I'm not really a big royalist but I do like them. I do totally support our troops in everything they do, I'm not really a big football fan but I will watch England and I do still love this country even in its poor sorry state it's in.
So can we a least make the effort if you have bothered to put up a flag make sure it's the right way up!
I drove through Killamarsh this morning to see a row of houses all with there flags out, how nice it looked until I then realised half the flags were upside down.
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Yeah.
It moderately irritates me.
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31-05-2012, 07:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Lasers
Perhaps the occupants were in distress? Shame on you sir for not investigating further; for all we know they may well now all be dead. Shame on you.
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31-05-2012, 07:54
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Originally Posted by SnailyBoy
I stand corrected
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Actually, the chaces are that you are sitting so you sit corrected
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31-05-2012, 07:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadingNorth
No, you really don't. To refer to any flag as "jack" when it is not being flown from the jack-mast of a ship, is self-evident nonsense. Making it officially nonsense doesn't alter that.
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Did you not read the quote, the flag was called the jack before the jack-mast existed.
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31-05-2012, 08:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HeadingNorth
No, you really don't. To refer to any flag as "jack" when it is not being flown from the jack-mast of a ship, is self-evident nonsense. Making it officially nonsense doesn't alter that.
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The word "jack" was in use before 1600 to describe the maritime bow flag.[5] By 1627 a small Union Jack was commonly flown in this position. One theory goes that for some years it would have been called just "the Jack", or "Jack flag", or "the King's Jack", but by 1674, while formally referred to as "His Majesty's Jack", it was commonly called the Union Jack, and this was officially acknowledged.
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31-05-2012, 10:18
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Which way round should we hang pedants?
Sorry, pennants.
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