[PrimalJay]

Originally Posted by Lounge Jay

I dont understand this idea that "the money all been spent", "the money's all gone"!! what do they mean its all spent? its all gone?? wheres it gone, vanished into thin air?? money circulates doesn't it? why has it stopped circulating? has demand gone down for stuff?...no, is it the case that people dont want to work anymore?...no.

What the hell is happening??

It is all a global conspiracy, for something for more deeper and sinister at play.

[andyofborg]

Originally Posted by PrimalJay

It is all a global conspiracy, for something for more deeper and sinister at play.

like what?

[WeX]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

can't say i've noticed ukip generally being branded as racists

There is an entire thread on SF dedicated to it.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=984211

[Mister M]

Originally Posted by Lounge Jay

I dont understand this idea that "the money all been spent", "the money's all gone"!! what do they mean its all spent? its all gone?? wheres it gone, vanished into thin air?? money circulates doesn't it? why has it stopped circulating? has demand gone down for stuff?...no, is it the case that people dont want to work anymore?...no.

What the hell is happening??

it's all the falt off Tony B.LIAR, Gorden Clown and nu LIE BORE AN didnt you know

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by Lounge Jay

I dont understand this idea that "the money all been spent", "the money's all gone"!! what do they mean its all spent? its all gone?? wheres it gone, vanished into thin air?? money circulates doesn't it? why has it stopped circulating? has demand gone down for stuff?...no, is it the case that people dont want to work anymore?...no.

What the hell is happening??

UK money has been leaking out to places like China for years as we buy their consumer goods. They buy some stuff from us like Land Rovers but there is a huge imbalance.

Government money ran out when the banks went bust. They provided 25% of the government's income and it stopped overnight but the government spending carries on. That's why they left that note.

The reason the economy is struggling to get going again is because there is simply too little demand for UK goods and services, especially from Europe. If Europe goes belly up as seems inevitable there will be even less demand for our goods and services.

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

no but we might be on the final countdown for the spanish banks

Guess who bought a huge chunk of our very own basket case RBS? .............................. err Santander.

[andyofborg]

Originally Posted by WeX

There is an entire thread on SF dedicated to it.

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=984211

you can find entire threads dedicated to pretty much anything here.

you will find racists in pretty much every political party

[wednesday1]

Originally Posted by Jim Graham

UK money has been leaking out to places like China for years as we buy their consumer goods. They buy some stuff from us like Land Rovers but there is a huge imbalance.

Government money ran out when the banks went bust. They provided 25% of the government's income and it stopped overnight but the government spending carries on. That's why they left that note.

The reason the economy is struggling to get going again is because there is simply too little demand for UK goods and services, especially from Europe. If Europe goes belly up as seems inevitable there will be even less demand for our goods and services.

Hmmm, I do seem to remember us having a strong manufacturing base in this country until a evil witch closed most of it down?

[Stan Tamudo]

Originally Posted by Jim Graham

Government money ran out when the banks went bust.

That's probably because the Government gave all the money to the banks Jim?

[andyofborg]

Originally Posted by Jim Graham

Guess who bought a huge chunk of our very own basket case RBS? .............................. err Santander.

did they?

santander uk is separate from santander spain and should be fairly safe should santander spain goes phutt

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by Stan Tamudo

That's probably because the Government gave all the money to the banks Jim?

No, they had to borrow it.

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

did they?

santander uk is separate from santander spain and should be fairly safe should santander spain goes phutt

Of course they are going to say Santander UK is safe otherwise there'll be another run on the banks. But when have banks, or governments, ever been honest?

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by wednesday1

Hmmm, I do seem to remember us having a strong manufacturing base in this country until a evil witch closed most of it down?

I remember it differently. I remember the unions holding the manufacturing companies to ransom until they went bust. The unions then held a gun to head of the Labour government who bailed them out with a 40% subsidy of tax payers money. By which time customers had found they could get better quality and cheaper goods elsewhere. Then the unions held the tax payer to ransom. Then the people of the UK elected someone else and gave her a mandate to put a stop to the madness. The unions decided they didn't like that idea of democracy and wanted Labour back so they picked a fight and lost .................................. and so did all the hard working but badly misled workers.

[Kid Sampson]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

can't say i've noticed ukip generally being branded as racists

they are bonkers and anyone who supports them is simply voting for the destruction of the uk economy

Well Labour and the tories haven't exactly done wonders for us all now have they? I personally like some of their policies. What makes you think they would destroy our fantabulous, healthy, growing and fair economy?

[WeX]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

you can find entire threads dedicated to pretty much anything here.

you will find racists in pretty much every political party

Hmm, well I said UKIP are branded as racists on here. You disagreed saying you hadn't noticed it, so I linked a recent thread on here discussing if UKIP are the new BNP.

Its clearly been discussed here therefore my comments (although made in jest) are valid. In not attacking UKIP in anyway, more making a flippant comment about the branding of people as racists. This is becoming more prevalent which is unwarranted in my opinion.

[WeX]

Originally Posted by wednesday1

Hmmm, I do seem to remember us having a strong manufacturing base in this country until a evil witch closed most of it down?

What exactly did Labour, in their 13 years in government, do to reverse this?

[Lounge Jay]

Originally Posted by Jim Graham

I remember it differently. I remember the unions holding the manufacturing companies to ransom until they went bust. The unions then held a gun to head of the Labour government who bailed them out with a 40% subsidy of tax payers money. By which time customers had found they could get better quality and cheaper goods elsewhere. Then the unions held the tax payer to ransom. Then the people of the UK elected someone else and gave her a mandate to put a stop to the madness. The unions decided they didn't like that idea of democracy and wanted Labour back so they picked a fight and lost .................................. and so did all the hard working but badly misled workers.

If you're talking about Orgreave the Thatcher government wanted that fight, they unleashed the Ridley plan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Plan. The Thatcher government wanted revenge on the unions for effectively bringing down the heath government.

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by Lounge Jay

If you're talking about Orgreave the Thatcher government wanted that fight, they unleashed the Ridley plan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Plan. The Thatcher government wanted revenge on the unions for effectively bringing down the heath government.

What I should have said is "the unions picked a fight they knew they could not win" They knew it ten years earlier but they hyped up their stupid class war propaganda and led ordinary hard working men and women to the dole queues.

It was not just the miners but also car workers, steel workers, shipbuilders, dockers and a whole host of others. It had nothing to with revenge. That's just more loony left propaganda trotted out after they lost the fight and tried to blame someone else. It was about stopping the power of the unions from trashing the economy.

[Jag82]

Originally Posted by andyofborg

can't say i've noticed ukip generally being branded as racists

they are bonkers and anyone who supports them is simply voting for the destruction of the uk economy

... voting for the destruction of the uk economy.

Please explain.

[Jim Graham]

Originally Posted by WeX

What exactly did Labour, in their 13 years in government, do to reverse this?

Ooh Ooh I know this one ...................................... they employed another 600,000 in the public sector.