[Mecky]

It's nothing new, the economists were saying back in September last year we were doomed. Still, the RW bullies on here and other web sites will try and deny we're in recession again and try to bury the bad news with something else no doubt. You know what they're like ....

[alchresearch]

Originally Posted by LeMaquis

Nowt to do with pasties. The figures are for the last 3 months of 2011 and the first 3 months of this year. The Pasty Tax was only announced this month.

It just goes to show the lefties don't understand basic economics!

Its interesting to note that the OPs link also featured the following:

It's worth mentioning that these GDP figures are provisional: they will be revised in a month and the margin of error is 0.2pc - up or down. So if they're changed it could slump as low as a 0.4pc contraction, and the best it could get is stagnation - which would at least keep us just out of recession.

Lets hope that the error is there.

And also:

The fall was driven by a sharp fall in construction output and there are question marks over the reliability of these numbers. That said, the drop in construction was smaller than anticipated and, even without this, output would have done no better than stagnate.

But we would not dismiss today's figures so readily. And even if the underlying picture is stronger than the official GDP figures show, there is no guarantee that the recent pick-up will continue. Indeed, we remain comfortable with our view that GDP will contract by about 0.5pc this year.

Hmmm, construction output fell during the cold winter months. Who'd have thought it?

[Conrod]

Originally Posted by Mecky

It's nothing new, the economists were saying back in September last year we were doomed. Still, the RW bullies on here and other web sites will try and deny we're in recession again and try to bury the bad news with something else no doubt. You know what they're like ....

Why do you (often) use the term 'bullies' to describe people who are not lefties?

I've not seen right-of-centre posters on here bullying anybody, just receiving grief and spittle from the left.

[WeX]

Originally Posted by Mecky

the RW bullies on here and other web sites will try and deny we're in recession again and try to bury the bad news with something else no doubt. You know what they're like ....

aside from the dig at those who support the government, which is unjust I feel, can you please provide some evidence of anyone denying we're in a recession on here?

[I1L2T3]

Originally Posted by WeX

aside from the dig at those who support the government, which is unjust I feel, can you please provide some evidence of anyone denying we're in a recession on here?

Post #22 above looks like an object lesson in denial.

Quite touching really. The reality is the figures won't be revised for months. Until then we'll still be in recession. Officially.

[WeX]

Originally Posted by I1L2T3

Post #22 above looks like an object lesson in denial.

Quite touching really. The reality is the figures won't be revised for months. Until then we'll still be in recession. Officially.

Agreed, we are in recession, no one can deny this. Post #22 looks to be wishful thinking, but alchresearch didn't outright deny anything, just noted these figures are provisional. If anything alchresearch was acting as an apologist, not a denier.

Macky claims people on here and elsewhere have denied we are in a recession. I am yet to see anyone denying it.

[MadManMoon]

Originally Posted by WeX

Its all going south for this government it would see. Does this mean we are in need of a change? Or would a change do more damage? The only alternative is Labour and they have even less of a clue.

I agree. Labour are as much in the hands of big business as the Tories are.

They are just Tory Story 2. But less funny.

[alchresearch]

Originally Posted by I1L2T3

Post #22 above looks like an object lesson in denial.

Quite touching really. The reality is the figures won't be revised for months. Until then we'll still be in recession. Officially.

Not at all. Some of us knew things were bad before the Tories took power.

But there is more to the problem than simply "the tories done it" and other negativity like we normally get on here.

This is a global problem and has been since 2008. Yet I don't recall many of the usual posters who start these kind of threads doing so while Labour was in power.

[f0rd]

Grab the pop corn, PMQ's @ 12 noon.

[MrSmith]

Originally Posted by I1L2T3

Post #22 above looks like an object lesson in denial.

Quite touching really. The reality is the figures won't be revised for months. Until then we'll still be in recession. Officially.

You make it sound like bad news, this is good news.

[chem1st]

The unemployed can't even afford to grow potatos! Whilst the land monopolists get paid via the state from general taxation for merely owning land

No wonder the country is ******

[auto98uk]

Originally Posted by Conrod

Why do you (often) use the term 'bullies' to describe people who are not lefties?

I've not seen right-of-centre posters on here bullying anybody, just receiving grief and spittle from the left.

Really? I have seen far more "loony left" type posts than posts belittling the right.

[auto98uk]

Originally Posted by alchresearch

Not at all. Some of us knew things were bad before the Tories took power.

But there is more to the problem than simply "the tories done it" and other negativity like we normally get on here.

This is a global problem and has been since 2008. Yet I don't recall many of the usual posters who start these kind of threads doing so while Labour was in power.

I also don't remember many of the tories saying it was a global problem at the time.

[I1L2T3]

Originally Posted by MrSmith

You make it sound like bad news, this is good news.

It's worse than bad news. Or are you clinging to the hope that figures will be revised upwards while conveniently forgetting they could get revised downwards?

In the meantime, while you cling to your hopes, the damage is done. We ARE in recession. Officially. For months. That is not good.

[PeteMorris]

Wonders why threads like this always descend into petty Lab/Lib/Con squabbling.

[Mecky]

Originally Posted by Conrod

Why do you (often) use the term 'bullies' to describe people who are not lefties?

I've not seen right-of-centre posters on here bullying anybody, just receiving grief and spittle from the left.

Because history has always shown the Conservatives as bullies, you can't get away from the fact.

[I1L2T3]

Originally Posted by alchresearch

Not at all. Some of us knew things were bad before the Tories took power.

But there is more to the problem than simply "the tories done it" and other negativity like we normally get on here.

This is a global problem and has been since 2008. Yet I don't recall many of the usual posters who start these kind of threads doing so while Labour was in power.

eh?

Everybody knew how bad it was. Now all of a sudden far from being caused by a profligate Labour government it's a global debt problem caused by government debt, personal debt and corporate debt. He's right as it happens but why wait until 2012 to deliver this new narrative? Oh yeah, I just remembered it's because his own screw-up of the economy is everybody else's fault now.

[MrSmith]

Originally Posted by I1L2T3

It's worse than bad news. Or are you clinging to the hope that figures will be revised upwards while conveniently forgetting they could get revised downwards?

In the meantime, while you cling to your hopes, the damage is done. We ARE in recession. Officially. For months. That is not good.

Nope, I would be happy for them to go down further, stop spending on crap bought from china and live within our means.

[laineyiow]

Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

It would seem that most of our wealth is indeed going down to London and the South East...

Well wish it was coming down towards this part of the South East - but we always seem to get missed out somehow - must be something to do with that stretch of water!

[Mecky]

Originally Posted by auto98uk

Really? I have seen far more "loony left" type posts than posts belittling the right.

You're right of course, the forum has been littered by them for a good few years. It's just the type of people they are, they enjoy trying to push people around. Sometimes it's insults and sometimes it's coming with outrageous comments like bring back workhouses, people shouldn't have kids they can't afford etc, it's like the Deatheaters in the Harry Potter series. I doubt they'd be saying things like that if the shoe was on the other foot.