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24-04-2012, 21:48
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By that logic then anyone found guilty could be innocent.
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Not anyone.... but it is plausible that lots of juries can be erroneous.
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24-04-2012, 21:51
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He's been found guilty at the end of the day but he's obviously got something which he considers to be good grounds for appeal whether he succeeds or not is another story.
Am I the only one who wants all of the talk of Ched to stop? It's doing nothing short of deflecting the attention away from what has been a terrific reason for the club. For me this is my last post regarding Ched Evans until the season ends because I'm not being funny but this has been probably the best season Sheffield Football has seen for decades regardless of the fact were both in league one, this weekend is going to be a massive weekend for both clubs and only one of us will succeed automatically and the other will have to battle it out in the play-offs.
Sorry Ched but great season for Sheffield, can we not concentrate on that?
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24-04-2012, 21:54
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Is it just me, or does this sentence not make sense?
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Not just you billy 
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24-04-2012, 22:54
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Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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24-04-2012, 23:13
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Originally Posted by s2 blade
Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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24-04-2012, 23:58
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Oh well, I suppose criminals will always misguidedly support criminals.
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25-04-2012, 01:33
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McDonald was found not guilty, not that he was innocent.
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A verdict of not guilty does, by definition, mean he was entirely innocent of all charges.
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25-04-2012, 01:33
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Originally Posted by Billy Casper
Is it just me, or does this sentence not make sense?
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It makes sense, providing you assume that all persons convicted are rightfully convicted. Since we know that assumption to be false...
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25-04-2012, 06:07
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A verdict of not guilty does, by definition, mean he was entirely innocent of all charges.
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Not true, it means there isn't enough evidence to convict.
If the jury thought there was an 80% chance he could have done it, they have to acquitt.
The jury have to be sure that the defendant is guilty. Otherwise they must find him not guilty.
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25-04-2012, 06:36
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Originally Posted by Robbie Loving
Not true, it means there isn't enough evidence to convict.
If the jury thought there was an 80% chance he could have done it, they have to acquitt.
The jury have to be sure that the defendant is guilty. Otherwise they must find him not guilty.
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the term is beyond reasonable doubt.What do you mean when you claim juries can be erroneous?I think you may have chosen the wrong term!Their decision may be subject to error but not the twelve individuals.
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25-04-2012, 07:47
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It makes sense, providing you assume that all persons convicted are rightfully convicted. Since we know that assumption to be false...
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Absolute rubbish yet again from you.
Why is it that you seem to continually, arrogantly, think that you have more legal knowledge than the courts that rightfully and legally passed judgement on these two?
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25-04-2012, 07:49
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Originally Posted by s2 blade
Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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Yet more absolute rubbish.
That's like warning Anders Behring Breivik to stay away from left wing teenagers because they may get shot, and if they do then they're asking for it and it won't be his fault.
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25-04-2012, 08:02
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the term is beyond reasonable doubt.What do you mean when you claim juries can be erroneous?I think you may have chosen the wrong term!Their decision may be subject to error but not the twelve individuals.
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In simple terms.... The juries can and have been wrong in their decisions in the past.
The decision they give may be incorrect/erroneous.
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25-04-2012, 08:17
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Good luck ched lad ! [...] if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns !
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I find this type of post really disturbing, both reading it and the way it makes me feel. My initial reaction to it is bad, in that I want Evans to fail. Yet I don't really agree with that, because I want the guilty to be punished and the innocent to walk free. If Evans is innocent then he should be allowed to appeal, he should be allowed to play football. The problem is that S2 is ignorant and nasty enough to presume he's innocent after a court and a jury has found him guilty. It's a really dark glimpse at his views.
At what point will you acknowledge his guilt? One court case obviously isn't enough. Two, three court cases? I don't understand it at all. Awful.
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25-04-2012, 08:27
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Originally Posted by s2 blade
Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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Isn't it interesting how people's opinions on people change when they work for a football club that they support
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25-04-2012, 08:28
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I find this type of post really disturbing, both reading it and the way it makes me feel. My initial reaction to it is bad, in that I want Evans to fail. Yet I don't really agree with that, because I want the guilty to be punished and the innocent to walk free. If Evans is innocent then he should be allowed to appeal, he should be allowed to play football. The problem is that S2 is ignorant and nasty enough to presume he's innocent after a court and a jury has found him guilty. It's a really dark glimpse at his views.
At what point will you acknowledge his guilt? One court case obviously isn't enough. Two, three court cases? I don't understand it at all. Awful.
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I totally agree.
If Evans walks free based on new evidence then I'm happy with that, and have faith, as we all should, that the justice system has worked. At that point I'll openly accept he isn't a rapist.
Flip side, if he loses the appeal you can guarantee that there will be some (such as the above) who will never accept his guilt.
It's OJ Simpson territory - it's all about the accused not the actual crime.
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25-04-2012, 08:29
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I totally agree.
If Evans walks free based on new evidence then I'm happy with that, and have faith, as we all should, that the justice system has worked. At that point I'll openly accept he isn't a rapist.
Flip side, if he loses the appeal you can guarantee that there will be some (such as the above) who will never accept his guilt.
It's OJ Simpson territory.
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What I don't understand is, why would any new evidence be available now and not a week or so ago? Why would someone hold back such information?
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25-04-2012, 09:07
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Originally Posted by s2 blade
Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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what a sick post to put on s2 blade, just think if it was someone in your family or someone who you know evens did that to, would you still be wishing him luck on his appeal ???
i find it annoying on how a player can brain wash someone into thinking on what he did was not wrong just because he just happens to play for the club you support.
if he was a wednesday player you would be saying locked him up for ever.
no matter who he is, or what club he played for, he has been found guilty for rape, and there for should serve his sentence just like any other rapists
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25-04-2012, 09:08
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Originally Posted by s2 blade
Good luck ched lad ! Hope to see you back in the red and white stripes sooner rather than later and who knows if the judge decides to see sense you might be in the pfa championship team of the year 2013 fingers crossed . Just hope this time he stays away from loose women and alcohol oh and premier inns ! Anyway hope the appeal goes well !
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You make me sick to the stomach and shame on you !
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25-04-2012, 09:15
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OH DEAR OH DEAR OH DEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck Ched ??????????
Im an Owl through and through but I am genuinely starting to pity the true United fans whose club is presently being dragged through a very murky gutter.
S2Blade hang your head in shame as well as one or two others on here .................. your football club is rapidly becoming a laughing stock and while some will take that as a dig I actually take no pleasure in saying it.
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