This is why i support Anonymous

CompSpud · 08-04-2012, 15:05

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/protest-hi...fice-website-5

What gives them the right to read my MY personal stuff? If they think there is a reason to look into my emails, calls and browsing history they can get a warrant.

If this goes through <removed> WILL hit the fan.

Lets just hope something comes up to stop this coming into law.

Plus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EONi2oh_ec

brianthedog · 08-04-2012, 19:59

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/protest-hi...fice-website-5

What gives them the right to read my MY personal stuff? If they think there is a reason to look into my emails, calls and browsing history they can get a warrant.

If this goes through <removed> WILL hit the fan.

Lets just hope something comes up to stop this coming into law.

Plus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EONi2oh_ec

You know the legislation won't allow them to read your personal emails? It's worth understanding exactly what's being proposed before throwing your support behind a criminal organisation.

CompSpud · 08-04-2012, 20:06

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Originally Posted by brianthedog

You know the legislation won't allow them to read your personal emails? It's worth understanding exactly what's being proposed before throwing your support behind a criminal organisation.

Next you will be telling me the gov never do anything wrong and tell us everything

brianthedog · 08-04-2012, 20:10

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

Next you will be telling me the gov never do anything wrong and tell us everything

Why the loopy? You do not understand the proposed legislation. Whether or not the government make mistakes is irrelevant to the proposal.

CompSpud · 08-04-2012, 20:17

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-new-laws.html

Plus, Just because Anonymous don't do things by the book. EG breaking the law, Does that mean they are wrong?

brianthedog · 08-04-2012, 20:22

I hate posting links in response, but ditto... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...nce-QandA.html

Of course what they do is wrong. Who gave them the right to hack sensitive personal information? What makes you confident that they can effectively store this information safely? Do you think they check everyone who joins their clique?

DeathAxe · 08-04-2012, 22:26

Go sign this make yourself herd: https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/stop-the-snooping-plan/

Nagel · 08-04-2012, 23:48

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

Lets just hope something comes up to stop this coming into law.

Don't just sit there and hope that something comes up. Oppose the new law every way you can. The more people that oppose it the less chance it will become law. When Labour tried to introduce similar measures they were shouted down and realised how unpopular their proposed universal snooping would be and backed down. The same with ID cards which were stopped by popular protest.

You don't have to sit there and take it. If enough people object it won't become law.

Weazel2006 · 08-04-2012, 23:55

Criminal or not they are showing that our supposed safe information is anything but safe.

They are highlighting just how easily they can navigate supposed high security systems and can even take down government sites seemingly at will, although to the governments credit they did have the brains to have a low bandwidth version available so as not to completely be blanked out.

At present this idea of storing even more data about individuals in the name of fighting crime and terrorism is quite laughable, how do they propose to protect this information from criminals, who are likely to attempt access to sell the information to advertisers?.

Little doubt in my mind that if this system came into being someone like anonymous if not the group themselves will take a pop at it for the very fact it exists. I don't see it lasting even if it does get put through.

Yuri · 09-04-2012, 00:07

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/protest-hi...fice-website-5

What gives them the right to read my MY personal stuff? If they think there is a reason to look into my emails, calls and browsing history they can get a warrant.

If this goes through <removed> WILL hit the fan.

Lets just hope something comes up to stop this coming into law.

Plus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EONi2oh_ec

it will be like section 44 terror act and photos in a public place.

Dude111 · 09-04-2012, 00:40

Anonymous is said to be working WITH THE FEDS!!! (To push stuff thru they couldnt do otherwise)

brianthedog · 09-04-2012, 07:02

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Originally Posted by Weazel2006

Criminal or not they are showing that our supposed safe information is anything but safe.

They are highlighting just how easily they can navigate supposed high security systems and can even take down government sites seemingly at will, although to the governments credit they did have the brains to have a low bandwidth version available so as not to completely be blanked out.

At present this idea of storing even more data about individuals in the name of fighting crime and terrorism is quite laughable, how do they propose to protect this information from criminals, who are likely to attempt access to sell the information to advertisers?.

Little doubt in my mind that if this system came into being someone like anonymous if not the group themselves will take a pop at it for the very fact it exists. I don't see it lasting even if it does get put through.

Two things... A lot of the attacks perpetrated by Anonymous are crude DDoS attacks. Secondly, the information which would be collected would not be held centrally, nor would it be sensitive in the same way as Banks or retailers hold sensitive information.

Moosey · 09-04-2012, 08:24

I do love the hysteria that people have over these issues.

You do realise that access to this sort of data is already freely available, perfectly legally, thanks to the Data Protection Act?

If anyone cares to google it, there is an exemption under DPA whereby any data controller (the person who holds the info) is able to disclose it and breach DPA, if any of the various criteria, such as legal proceedings, is contemplated.

Basically, if the police think you're doing something wrong, they have the right and ability to check all these things anyway. They have done for 10 years. I've been using DPA to get access to various records in contemplation of legal proceedings for years now.

The comedy part is that it only has to be in contemplation of legal proceedings. The proceedings don't have to be commenced or anything, they can view the sensitive material, decide there's nothing to proceed with, then go onto a new project.

The new law will be used for the same reason. If someone is suspected of something, they'll use it, rather than go through the DPA route. Your average Joe Smith on the street needn't worry. In a country of 65million people, I think the police and government have better things to do than check that they're richer, or check what porn you're downloading.

This is nothing new, despite what the dramatic protesters would have you believe.

Tony Erikson · 09-04-2012, 10:23

This proposal will do nothing to find those that want to stay hidden. If I want to stay hidden I just use ssl. I have 50 linux machines at my disposal dotted around the country. If I wanted to stay hidden, I would simply SSH daisy chain then off out to whom I want to contact.

This will only affect the standard user.

My biggest fear with this is how long before the government start selling access to their mirror.

brianthedog · 09-04-2012, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Tony Erikson

This proposal will do nothing to find those that want to stay hidden. If I want to stay hidden I just use ssl. I have 50 linux machines at my disposal dotted around the country. If I wanted to stay hidden, I would simply SSH daisy chain then off out to whom I want to contact.

This will only affect the standard user.

My biggest fear with this is how long before the government start selling access to their mirror.

Daisy chain will obscure the source but not hide it.

CompSpud · 09-04-2012, 14:50

I wonder where i would stand if i VPN'ed to another country? Iv got nothing to hide but i don't like that fact that I'm been watched :\

anywebsite · 09-04-2012, 15:09

Use Tor if you want to be more anonymous.

jayofs2 · 09-04-2012, 22:45

Interesting conversation.

XXTickerXX · 10-04-2012, 15:49

Just hack your neighbours router.Problem solved.They can get done for all the crimes you are trying to hide.

Magilla · 10-04-2012, 16:11

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

What gives them the right to read my MY personal stuff?

The proposed legislation still doesn't give them the right to read your personal stuff.

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

If they think there is a reason to look into my emails, calls and browsing history they can get a warrant.

Under the proposed legislation, that is a requirement.

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Originally Posted by CompSpud

If this goes through <removed> WILL hit the fan.

May be, but not for any of the reasons you just stated.