[Rupert_Baehr]

I have a question.

Molly44 said:

"• We support the strike on the 30th November and the student action on the 9th November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing"

I do appreciate that Molly is not an official spokesman of OSC (there aren't any) but is Occupy really against arms dealing?

Few people have been killed by guns. Quite a lot of people have been killed by the ammunition fired from guns.

Is Occupy's aversion to arms dealing limited to those who deal in the weapons themselves, or does it extend to those who have made massive sums of money from the manufacture and sale of ammunition?

If Occupy do object to the ammunition manufacturers and dealers, would they be prepared to back that up by refusing to accept donations from Organisations/Companies/Individuals who have made large sums by manufacturing and selling ammunition?

Would Occupy return such donations?

[alchemist]

Can someone please explain what the differences are between eviction and injunction? I understand the eviction bit, it means get your c--p off of the cathedrals land. However occupy are saying it should have been an injunction. Now obviously this is going to be more in occupies favour than the cathedrals, so what would occupy gain from an injunction?

[alchemist]

A bit of information for occupy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16763606

Now it seems that THIS lot have the idea of targeting correctly, THEY are choosing BANKS or defunct BANK property. This means that they are getting publicity for attack BANKS instead of a CHURCH.

Lesson to be learnt here perhaps???

[onewheeldave]

Interesting link here-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16650613

Given that many Occupy camps are inevitably going to get cleared via court orders, I think a good thing for them to focus on are projects like the above.

i.e. planning how the momentum can be carried on via other means, if/when the camp is dismantled.

[Penistone999]

Originally Posted by onewheeldave

Interesting link here-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16650613

Given that many Occupy camps are inevitably going to get cleared via court orders, I think a good thing for them to focus on are projects like the above.

i.e. planning how the momentum can be carried on via other means, if/when the camp is dismantled.

So ,seeing as OS know they are going to be booted off the cathedral land ( this was even admitted by Nicole outside the court on Look North) ,why drag this farce out any longer ? why not just clear their garbage off the cathedral land and go now ?

The only logical reason for them refusing to go until the enivitable court order makes them leave is that this is NOT a camp targetting the banks , it is in fact a personal vendetta aimed at the cathedral and aimed at causing the cathedral as much financial hardship as possible.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by alchemist

A bit of information for occupy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16763606

Now it seems that THIS lot have the idea of targeting correctly, THEY are choosing BANKS or defunct BANK property. This means that they are getting publicity for attack BANKS instead of a CHURCH.

Lesson to be learnt here perhaps???

It's not really a lesson. Lots of buildings have banks on the deeds - most I would say.

The last building occupied by the Occupy London mob is a former architects office that is now being redeveloped. OL claim that it wasn't an architects office, it was a bank.

I call it old fashioned breaking and entering with a dose of follow up squatting.

Orwell called it double-speak.

[Penistone999]

Originally Posted by alchemist

A bit of information for occupy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16763606

Now it seems that THIS lot have the idea of targeting correctly, THEY are choosing BANKS or defunct BANK property. This means that they are getting publicity for attack BANKS instead of a CHURCH.

Lesson to be learnt here perhaps???

You hear hardly nothing from OS about ,banks/financial institutions/multi national companies , what they claim to be against .............. all you ever hear from OS are attacks and digs at the cathedral and the Dean of Sheffield.

So great is the daily barage of insults aimed at the cathedral ,that anyone would be excused for thinking their entire presence in sheffield is purely to attack the cathedral and the Dean.

If one of the OS members on this forum wants to correct me , please feel free. Ok, we know none of the OS supporters on here will admit to being an OS member ,but we know they are .

[CaptainChaos]

I don't know if it's just me, but there seems to have been a lot more activity around the cathedral camp since the court appearance. Unfortunately none of it appears to be clearing up or removing the 'art' or barricades. It seems they are in it for the long haul, despite incurring costs and potentially being ordered to pay the cathedrals costs. However for the cathedral to get them they will have to find someone who puts a hand up to actually been involved.

It becomes more obvious by the day that Occupy are in it for the disruption factor alone.

[1bellydancer]

you lot on here are having a right moan,cheer up,surely there is something better
to do.

we don't want these scruffy beggars in front of our beautiful cathedral,their ruining our
business, how can tents stop charity?if someone is in need then give charity,support.If people don't want to go to church because of scruffy looking people in front of it, then don't go,end of story.

everyone on both sides, stop moaning about the church also, church is a business,it happens to be religious, end of story.

[onewheeldave]

Just a reminder that, for any members of the public wishing to meet the occupiers and form their own unbiased opinion of the camp, today-

Saturday 28th Jan - A(n) (inter?)national Occupy event. Camp will become a creative, arty, exhibition space. A call out for any artists, creative folk or anyone! to come down on Satruday. Bring gear if you can. This will be combined with cake and kindness.

from

https://occupywiki.org.uk/wiki/Sheff...e_and_Kindness

'cake and kindness' is their public engagement event running most saturdays.

Just in case any of the 'sheff forum anti-occupy trolling brigade' start stirring by asking what "bring gear if you can" means, i'll point out that it means exactly what anyone with a degree of common sense would assume i.e. an invitation to bring along art materials etc.

[onewheeldave]

Originally Posted by 1bellydancer

you lot on here are having a right moan,cheer up,surely there is something better
to do.
.....how can tents stop charity?if someone is in need then give charity,support.If people don't want to go to church because of scruffy looking people in front of it, then don't go,end of story.

....everyone on both sides, stop moaning about the church also, church is a business,it happens to be religious, end of story.

[harvey19]

Shouldn't this thread be closed now because of the ongoing court action ?

[Badlittlepup]

Originally Posted by vResistance

But bad'pup said- "the cathedral HAVE detailed various ways in which they have been disrupted and lost events and revenue and provided information to back that up."

Is that BS also? like the Christmas Market?

Obviously people are prepared to make stuff up if it is to put the occupy camp in bad light.

Where is the information provided that backs it up?

It's on the cathedral's website, in their official press statements and in articles cathedral staff have written for the Star. I'm not going to link because they've been linked to multiple times and they're also REALLY easy to find.

The Christmas market was something that was mentioned earlier on here by some random poster who claimed no link to the cathedral as a POSSIBILITY of something that was being disrupted.

To use that as 'evidence' to dismiss everything else the cathedral has said is nonsense frankly. Clutching at straws.

[Badlittlepup]

Originally Posted by 1bellydancer

you lot on here are having a right moan,cheer up,surely there is something better
to do.

we don't want these scruffy beggars in front of our beautiful cathedral,their ruining our
business, how can tents stop charity?if someone is in need then give charity,support.If people don't want to go to church because of scruffy looking people in front of it, then don't go,end of story.

everyone on both sides, stop moaning about the church also, church is a business,it happens to be religious, end of story.

BS. Businesses are there to make a profit. The cathedral doesn't. It's not a business. End of. It's a community organisation for Sheffield and it's being damaged by Occupy they have a right to protect themselves.

[alchemist]

Originally Posted by 1bellydancer

you lot on here are having a right moan,cheer up,surely there is something better
to do.

we don't want these scruffy beggars in front of our beautiful cathedral,their ruining our
business, how can tents stop charity?if someone is in need then give charity,support.If people don't want to go to church because of scruffy looking people in front of it, then don't go,end of story.

everyone on both sides, stop moaning about the church also, church is a business,it happens to be religious, end of story.

Simple solution, pack up the tents and go!! After all none is actually stopping in them!! I have asked afore and will ask again, why do they need the tents to protest, after all isn't it supposed to be the PEOPLE that are supposed to be protesting not the TENTS!!!

[Walksalot]

just stopped by , saturday afternoon , city centre bustling , occupy camp , 3 young women stood aimlessly try to look interested , untouched cakes on display ,4 signatures on a petition , zero regular occupy members , no cameras so i suppose thats to be expected , and complete lack of interest from members of the public , seems to still be catching the imagination and going well , shameful ........

[Badlittlepup]

Originally Posted by Walksalot

just stopped by , saturday afternoon , city centre bustling , occupy camp , 3 young women stood aimlessly try to look interested , untouched cakes on display ,4 signatures on a petition , zero regular occupy members , no cameras so i suppose thats to be expected , and complete lack of interest from members of the public , seems to still be catching the imagination and going well , shameful ........

Who exactly are they trying to fool? They're costing a not for profit community organisation thousands of pounds for no good reason but they think if they spend a tenner on cakes and bandy about the word 'kindness' a bit people will decide they're all lovely and fluffy and must be right after all. Fail. Fortunately most people are not as stupid as the patronising occupiers would like to think.

[Walksalot]

totally agree , failure on an epic scale but ego will never let them admit it , wonder if the cakes are as half baked as their ideas ...

[growup]

Originally Posted by harvey19

Shouldn't this thread be closed now because of the ongoing court action ?

Shouldn't this thread be closed because it is really repetitive and full of arguments. I've not commented for a while because I've been busy at work but don't think I will any more either because even the people who keep complaining about insulting posts are making them now and I can't be bothered to try and discuss anything with people who insult others and/or won't answer simple questions (that is aimed at people who are both for and against occupy).

[Badlittlepup]

Originally Posted by Rupert_Baehr

I have a question.

Molly44 said:

"• We support the strike on the 30th November and the student action on the 9th November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing"

I do appreciate that Molly is not an official spokesman of OSC (there aren't any) but is Occupy really against arms dealing?

Few people have been killed by guns. Quite a lot of people have been killed by the ammunition fired from guns.

Is Occupy's aversion to arms dealing limited to those who deal in the weapons themselves, or does it extend to those who have made massive sums of money from the manufacture and sale of ammunition?

If Occupy do object to the ammunition manufacturers and dealers, would they be prepared to back that up by refusing to accept donations from Organisations/Companies/Individuals who have made large sums by manufacturing and selling ammunition?

Would Occupy return such donations?

Do you think they have accepted them in the first place and from whom?