Ronaldo: 'I want to quit Real' - Page 4

Guderian · 02-03-2006, 12:08

Madrid are pants. All thanks to Perez. Perhaps he was a commercial success, but as for on the pitch - no sir.

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Agent Gypo

It hasn't paid off. Real have had little succes since Del Bosque was sacked.

They needed to start looking into replacing the older players like we needed to a few years ago when we started on the slide.. its catching up with them now as well although Real can quite easily replace the players being who they are.

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It hasn't worked for Real Madrid, Inter Milan etc etc. There's more to a team than buying world class players, something that Mourinho, Wenger, Benitez and Ferguson know very well.

I disagree- Real had a team nearly full of world class, Inter have 1-2 players who I would deem world class... Mourinho has in many people's eyes (apart from mine) 2 world class players allegedly in Terry and Lampard, Wenger has one in Henry, Benitez has one in Gerrard and we have- 3 at the minute with Ruud, Rooney and Ronaldo.

Real filled the team with class proven players and it started to pay off for them when zidane and figo came in especially.

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They've already won the European Cup under Benitez. I know this doesn't automatically make them best team in the world, but they're at least heading in the right direction.

Yup- but they have to do the same again this season to prove it was not a fluke last season which it was.

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Liverpool are more than just Gerrard. Benitez has them playing well as a TEAM (most of the time!). Liverpools midfield is superior to Man Utd's, Kewell would be a good addition, as would Sissoko. United have the advantage in attack, and probably defence too, though Carragher wouldn't look out of place in Man Utd's squad either.

Benitez has done well at 'Pool agreed- although your comment about Kewell made me laugh and question your judgment on players as well mate.. he has been ****e all season and last season, up until this month.
Sissoko- I like the look of him although I think he can sometimes act a bit rashly though sometimes but I think he will come good under Benitez.

Our attack and defence are way better than liverpools but I wouldnt consider Carragher a first teamer in our squad, maybe more a squad player but never a first teamer.

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I cant imagine Wenger going to Real, and I doubt Capello would go back there either. Sven possibly, but they can pretty much pick and choose so who knows....

I can at the minute see Wenger going in the summer if this crap run at arsenal keeps up- he made a right cockup selling Vieira and not replacing him.
Capello I think would go back if the conditions were right and I think Sven will go for the big paycheck he would pick up.

They can also pick and choose so I can see a quality manager appearing shortly.

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:11

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

Real under Perez was a disaster??
Perez has successfully aquired, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Robinho, Beckham and a lot more quality signings.

He made them into world beaters yet again.

Zidane; way past his best. Figo; not their any more. Ronaldo; still good. Robinho; hardly setting La Liga on fire is he? Beckham; still a brilliant crosser.

Real Madrid have won NOTHING since 2003. How does this make them world beaters?

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

The galactico policy does work although they need to focus on strengthening the parts of the team which need it most ie: Defence and Midfield rather than buying strikers all the time..

It DOESN'T work! Under Del Bosque they had a good team with a few world class players that fit his system. Now they have a couple of world class players and a few good ones, but they don't play well together. There's a really good article on BBC website about this, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/4759094.stm

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Agent Gypo

Zidane; way past his best. Figo; not their any more. Ronaldo; still good. Robinho; hardly setting La Liga on fire is he? Beckham; still a brilliant crosser.

Real Madrid have won NOTHING since 2003. How does this make them world beaters?

We are looking at the whole Perez generation as a whole- not just the past couple of years... look at the big picture since he has been there.

But they have won nowt since 2003 - true.

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It DOESN'T work! Under Del Bosque they had a good team with a few world class players that fit his system. Now they have a couple of world class players and a few good ones, but they don't play well together. There's a really good article on BBC website about this, http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/4759094.stm

Because the world class ones now are getting on and they have not replaced them successfully with quality younger replacements which I think they are hankering at doing this summer- so watch this space.

The younger ones that have been brought it- need time to adjust and develop such as Robinho who I can see big things of in a few years time.

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:14

I don't think I've ever talked with someone as clueless as you when it comes to football. I'm absolutely lost for words!

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Guderian

Madrid are pants. All thanks to Perez. Perhaps he was a commercial success, but as for on the pitch - no sir.

Since he has been there, they have been a success especially with the 'galactico' era a few years back leading to them going a bit downhill since agreed- however- they are a more commercial success than us at the moment which is a big thing considering we have been number.1 for many years- so to top us is a big step for them.

All they need to do is bring in another world class manager and replace 3-5 players and they are top of the tree again.

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:17

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

We are looking at the whole Perez generation as a whole- not just the past couple of years... look at the big picture since he has been there. years time.

You're missing the point. Forget Perez for one moment, Del Bosque forged a great TEAM, and had a few world class players that fit his system.

Since, Perez has tried in vain to buy success. It clearly hasn't worked.

Guderian · 02-03-2006, 12:18

Been there Gypo.

Bravo (at Real Madrid) said the other day there were far too many egos at Real, and that a lot of the players dont even get on.
Adopting the policy that Perez did leaves you open to this.
As opposed to Ferguson grooming pals like Beckham, Neville, Scholes etc.
They fought for each other. A team of Galacticos would never do that.

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:18

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Originally Posted by Agent Gypo

I don't think I've ever talked with someone as clueless as you when it comes to football. I'm absolutely absolutely lost for words!

I think that most of the time when talking to most of you all in here to be honest

Its like Stephen Hawking talking to a group of 10 year olds that think that english football is the best in the world.

I've got guderian in one breath telling me that Man Utd shouldnt buy oldies- despite the fact that Sheringham played a part in winning the CL for us and also Edwin Van Der Saar is the best keeper we have had in years.

And now I have got you Gypo moaning that Real were never successfull under Perez management of the club....

Its laughable the quality of all your views it really is

Guderian · 02-03-2006, 12:20

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

I think that most of the time when talking to most of you all in here to be honest

Its like Stephen Hawking talking to a group of 10 year olds that think that english football is the best in the world.

Angelus, MOST people disagree with you. MOST of the time.

Go figure.

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:22

Angelus, you obviously haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

As for saying we think English football is best in the world, who said that?

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:23

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Originally Posted by Agent Gypo

You're missing the point. Forget Perez for one moment, Del Bosque forged a great TEAM, and had a few world class players that fit his system.

Since, Perez has tried in vain to buy success. It clearly hasn't worked.

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:25

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

And now I have got you Gypo moaning that Real were never successfull under Perez management of the club....

I did not say that Real Madrid under Perez were NEVER succesful. If you read my posts, they say that they won nothing since 2003, and were only succesful under the management of Vicente Del Bosque.

Reading your post sometimes, I have to wonder whether you've ever seen a football match in your life (I know you've not been to watch your own team apart from on tv).

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Guderian

Angelus, MOST people disagree with you. MOST of the time.

Go figure.

Thats funny you said that- because at the minute- people are disagreeing a lot with your stuff you spout on other topics in the sports chat!

I really dont care if people disagee with me- thats the point of having a good argument on here- as long as it gives people things to think about, then its done its job.

And for a Man Utd fan- to say Ruud is 5th best in the world.
Go onto any Man Utd chat forum and say that and you will be kicked off in less than an hour I guarantee you- you make some good points sometimes but others I cant see the logic.

Guderian · 02-03-2006, 12:27

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

You are a naive fool Angelus. PEREZ chose the bloody players Real signed!
The managers had to accommodate them, and had minimal say.
Thats the whole point.

wibbles · 02-03-2006, 12:28

I take it all back

Guderian · 02-03-2006, 12:28

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

Thats funny you said that- because at the minute- people are disagreeing a lot with your stuff you spout on other topics in the sports chat!

I really dont care if people disagee with me- thats the point of having a good argument on here- as long as it gives people things to think about, then its done its job.

And for a Man Utd fan- to say Ruud is 5th best in the world.
Go onto any Man Utd chat forum and say that and you will be kicked off in less than an hour I guarantee you- you make some good points sometimes but others I cant see the logic.

Ruud is about the 5th best striker in the world. On a good day. Which are getting fewer.
Who agrees with me and who reckons he should be higher?

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:30

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Originally Posted by Agent Gypo

Angelus, you obviously haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

As for saying we think English football is best in the world, who said that?

No I really think is the other way around- I really do!

To come out with tripe about Real Madrid without knowing what you really dont know what you are on about- dont do it Gypo.

And dont go siding with others against other people as well, it makes you look thick because you cant come up with arguments for yourself

No offence!

Agent Gypo · 02-03-2006, 12:30

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Originally Posted by ANGELUS

Frig me- how many times...

Del Bosque is a manager- Perez is a president of the club or was.
Perez DOES NOT control the team.

Del Bosque comes to Perez and says I need this this and this.
Perez goes yup- here you go Del Bosque.

SO boys and girls- Perez had some part to play in Del Bosque's vision of grandeur didnt he.

Jesus- I need a lie down.... my head is hurting..
Anything else that needs explaining to you all?

Wrong wrong wrong. Oh dear. The problem was that Perez did to an extent control the team.

Del Bosque was not buying the 'galactico' players. Perez was buying the big players he wanted. Real Madrid have had general managers/directors of footballs for years, meaning that the buying policy is not down to the manager, but down to the president and his team of general managers.

Since Perez has been buying the players HE thinks Real Madrid should own, and not the manager, things haven't gone too well.

ANGELUS · 02-03-2006, 12:31

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Originally Posted by wibbles

I personally would like to thank Angelus for providing me with so many laughs. I get into work, morning blues and all that, make a cup of coffee, have a quick squizz on the forum to see what's been happening. I only have to look at the General sports section and see what Angelus has been leaking from his brain the night before and a warm feeling wells up inside me and all of a sudden the world doesn't seem a bad place. I missed Rodney Marsh and his pointless, mis-informed, flounderings when he got binned from Sky Sports after a somewhat ill-placed Toon Army (tsunami) joke but then our own resident spouter of all things nonsensical came to the rescue and things have never been better.
Angelus...I salute you

If it makes you happy- then I'm happy

Rodney Marsh is an ass though sorry to say.