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07-12-2011, 10:34
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I am trying to end or change a phone contract after the wikileaks press meeting yesterday showing the capabilities of certain phones such as i phones and blackberries to track your movements, collate and feed back conversations and take photos without your knowledge. You will find such information on wikileaks as well as leaked information of the huge growth of the unregulated survaillance industry and it's capabilities(see reddit and the wikileaks spyfiles). Now I am a pretty boring person with nothing to hide..but I object to signing a contract and paying out money without being informed by those selling such goods as well being put clearly in the phone contract itself that my phone had the built in capability to spy on my conversations and daily life and feed it back to whosoever is interested. I wish to defend my privacy although I am unsure if wanting to do that is even legal. I certainly will not be taking my phone to the bathroom with me. I have a contract which is three months old. I have explained to the phone provider that I want another phone and they can have the blackberry back. I have been told to buy one and keep the original contact with the providor. I have said this is not good enough and they can send me a new old fashioned phone with no inbuilt spy devices. Anyone know where I stand in consumer law?
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07-12-2011, 10:37
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what about the anpr cameras all over the uk tracking your vehicle movemnets 24/7, or the cctv cameras etc? im sure as you say you have nothing to hide so whats the problem
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07-12-2011, 11:20
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The problem is I am paying out money for this and bound by contract without granting permission for the use of a spy device in my home. The problem is unlike the cameras on the streets this is unregulated! Should it become regulated then I will not have a problem because there will be some laws into where that information goes and what it is used for and by whom and to what purpose! Until then I bitterly object to more and more privacy being stripped away from the individual. Old fashioned I may be but HG Wells may have had a lot of things right!
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07-12-2011, 11:22
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Why would anyone want to spy on you?
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07-12-2011, 11:29
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The capabilities built within these devices are made to spy on the population..who knows why...I don't care why, just ask my permission first before I pay for something that feeds a growth industry that has been secretive and certainly not upfront.
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07-12-2011, 11:57
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Why did you agree to the Privacy Policy?
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07-12-2011, 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeart
The capabilities built within these devices are made to spy on the population..who knows why...I don't care why, just ask my permission first before I pay for something that feeds a growth industry that has been secretive and certainly not upfront.
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Do you have a loyalty car for any shops, as they 'spy' on your shopping?
Do you surf the net, as websites can 'spy' on what you have previously looked at?
Do you drive on the road as there are many road cameras that check you have tax and insurance?
Need I go on?
If you don't want to be 'spied on', you will have to go and live in a jungle.... although then Google Earth will still spy on you 
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07-12-2011, 11:58
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this is the reason i often sit with tinfoil wrapped around my head, just incase they are listening to my thoughts....
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07-12-2011, 12:40
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The mobile phone is not part of your contract it is merely a gift to invite you to sign into the contract. This is the reason you are free to sell your phone at anytime and if it breaks they have no obligation to repair it beyond the manafacturers warranty.
You are paying for your minutes, texts and data and the service of being connected to their network, not to be tied to the handset that you choose. I feel that a bit of research into smart phones would have been advisable as they all do it on some level.
The network (if they wish too) can trace you location from any handset...not just new ones......just these report back to their prducer... android to google, apple & Blackberry... hence the advertisements that appear on apps and web pages as they know your "trend". Its the same with the internet and other examples given above and I do not know of a term that the operators have breached to cancel your contract sorry.
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07-12-2011, 12:48
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I used my iPhone on the loo..... But I always cover the camera lens up, there's no way I'm going to let anyone take a photo of my bathroom floor!
Last edited by martss; 07-12-2011 at 12:48.
Reason: Spelling
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07-12-2011, 12:49
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Wow breach of privacy I say!
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07-12-2011, 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisT70
this is the reason i often sit with tinfoil wrapped around my head, just incase they are listening to my thoughts....
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Don't you wrap a damp towel around your head and extract the bug from up your nose as in 'Total Recall'.
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07-12-2011, 14:11
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Originally Posted by LowerWalkley
Don't you wrap a damp towel around your head and extract the bug from up your nose as in 'Total Recall'.
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That's only science fiction, we are talking reality here!
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07-12-2011, 14:29
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If you mean the much talked about Carrier IQ thing - that isn't in the UK.
All the other tracking, except obviously for the need to connect to a specific cell in order to make calls, which makes you generally trackable purely because of the technological necessity to do so, is optional on my phone.
Furthermore, there is no tracking available that can tell when you are on the toilet, the best available on mobile phones is 8-10 metres (and even then it doesn't record distance from ground, so you could be on any level on your house.
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07-12-2011, 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by auto98uk
If you mean the much talked about Carrier IQ thing - that isn't in the UK.
All the other tracking, except obviously for the need to connect to a specific cell in order to make calls, which makes you generally trackable purely because of the technological necessity to do so, is optional on my phone.
Furthermore, there is no tracking available that can tell when you are on the toilet, the best available on mobile phones is 8-10 metres (and even then it doesn't record distance from ground, so you could be on any level on your house.
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Mine displays elevation, and it's gps has been accurate to less than a metre, that is through a mapping app though, that i choose to run, or not.
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07-12-2011, 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nubile
Mine displays elevation, and it's gps has been accurate to less than a metre, that is through a mapping app though, that i choose to run, or not.
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It kind of depends how you define accuracy I suppose - it can only tell a static position to within about 8 metres - however if it is moving it can be accurate in it's movement to within a metre or so.
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07-12-2011, 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by auto98uk
It kind of depends how you define accuracy I suppose - it can only tell a static position to within about 8 metres - however if it is moving it can be accurate in it's movement to within a metre or so.
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I took this GR ( SK2715172787) whilst static, i'd say it's accurate to within less than a metre, give it a try.
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07-12-2011, 14:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by strangeart
I am trying to end or change a phone contract after the wikileaks press meeting yesterday showing the capabilities of certain phones such as i phones and blackberries to track your movements, collate and feed back conversations and take photos without your knowledge. You will find such information on wikileaks as well as leaked information of the huge growth of the unregulated survaillance industry and it's capabilities(see reddit and the wikileaks spyfiles). Now I am a pretty boring person with nothing to hide..but I object to signing a contract and paying out money without being informed by those selling such goods as well being put clearly in the phone contract itself that my phone had the built in capability to spy on my conversations and daily life and feed it back to whosoever is interested. I wish to defend my privacy although I am unsure if wanting to do that is even legal. I certainly will not be taking my phone to the bathroom with me. I have a contract which is three months old. I have explained to the phone provider that I want another phone and they can have the blackberry back. I have been told to buy one and keep the original contact with the providor. I have said this is not good enough and they can send me a new old fashioned phone with no inbuilt spy devices. Anyone know where I stand in consumer law?
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Basically, when you sign a contract with a mobile phone operator, they've got you sewn up like a kipper! As I've found to my cost with Orange suddenly announcing they are increasing my monthly tarrif by 4.3% and apparently there's nothing I can do about it! The contract apparently allows them to raise it by the prevailing RPI. 
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07-12-2011, 15:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nubile
I took this GR ( SK2715172787) whilst static, i'd say it's accurate to within less than a metre, give it a try.
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Ahh sorry - I didn't realise you meant a GPS satellite - AFAIK the data done by GPS sattellite isn't relayed to the mobile company, so I wasn't including it - I was referring to the mobile networks own capability.
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07-12-2011, 15:15
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Every smartphone I know of has the option to turn off any and all location services.
Partly I'm glad of this because my phone wouldn't last 3 hrs if I couldn't disable it's GPS reciever. 
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