Homeless sleep out at the cathedral

garlicmunch · 30-08-2011, 17:42

Anyone got any details of the charity sleep out at the cathedral for the homeless ? Pm if you have please....

slick rick73 · 30-08-2011, 17:43

is this where all the homeless people sleep out on the streets for a night?

stonecircle · 30-08-2011, 17:53

Details:

Sleep out: Tuesday 20th September on the Cathedral forecourt.

Registration form available from tracy.viner@sheffield-cathedral.org.uk or download here:

www.archerproject.org.uk/diary-and-events

Tony Erikson · 30-08-2011, 18:26

If they're that bothered for the homeless,why not turn the Cathedral into a big block of studio apartments? It doesn't have to alter the exterior of the Cathedral. The least they could do is put some metresses in the main hall at night. I'll bet not one church in the country is used at night.

slick rick73 · 30-08-2011, 18:36

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Originally Posted by Tony Erikson

If they're that bothered for the homeless,why not turn the Cathedral into a big block of studio apartments? It doesn't have to alter the exterior of the Cathedral. The least they could do is put some metresses in the main hall at night. I'll bet not one church in the country is used at night.

My problem is the homeless people down there do very good impressions of being drunks and drug addicts.

chem1st · 30-08-2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by stonecircle

Details:

Sleep out: Tuesday 20th September on the Cathedral forecourt.

Registration form available from tracy.viner@sheffield-cathedral.org.uk or download here:

www.archerproject.org.uk/diary-and-events

.org.uk mate

Tony Erikson · 30-08-2011, 18:49

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Originally Posted by slick rick73

My problem is the homeless people down there do very good impressions of being drunks and drug addicts.

Likely because some of them will be. I imagine it is quite difficult to sleep rough when sober. Still there's a massive buliding in in the city centre that is rarely used, least of all at night. I'm sure people would happily donate a matress or two if the church would only donate its floor.

Rich · 30-08-2011, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Tony Erikson

If they're that bothered for the homeless,why not turn the Cathedral into a big block of studio apartments? It doesn't have to alter the exterior of the Cathedral. The least they could do is put some metresses in the main hall at night. I'll bet not one church in the country is used at night.

The Cathedral Building is Grade II listed, has been for years, so they can't turn it into Apartments.

chem1st · 30-08-2011, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Rich

The Cathedral Building is Grade II listed, has been for years, so they can't turn it into Apartments.

That doesn't mean it couldn't be turned into apartments, parkhill is grade II listed. Lister mills is grade II listed.

Churches have been turned into tescos.

bob1 · 30-08-2011, 19:07

As a society this is an example of where we've strangled ourselves with our own bureaucracy. There's no way the cathedral could offer "accomodation" without endless health and safety risk assessments, meeting legislation standards etc etc etc....we've left ourselves in a position now where simply supplying a matress and a floor on their own is unlikely to be permitted.

Tony Erikson · 30-08-2011, 19:10

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Originally Posted by bob1

As a society this is an example of where we've strangled ourselves with our own bureaucracy. There's no way the cathedral could offer "accomodation" without endless health and safety risk assessments, meeting legislation standards etc etc etc....we've left ourselves in a position now where simply supplying a matress and a floor on their own is unlikely to be permitted.

There would only be one authority to answer to surely. the big G himself.

bob1 · 30-08-2011, 19:44

stonecircle · 30-08-2011, 19:47

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Originally Posted by chem1st

.org.uk mate

Thanks!

alchemist · 31-08-2011, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Tony Erikson

If they're that bothered for the homeless,why not turn the Cathedral into a big block of studio apartments? It doesn't have to alter the exterior of the Cathedral. The least they could do is put some metresses in the main hall at night. I'll bet not one church in the country is used at night.

Why not expand that? There are all the schools, both universities and hundreds of factories and shops empty at night. Also during the day your house and many others may be empty so they could be used to keep the homeless warm

Tony Erikson · 01-09-2011, 18:52

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Originally Posted by alchemist

Why not expand that? There are all the schools, both universities and hundreds of factories and shops empty at night. Also during the day your house and many others may be empty so they could be used to keep the homeless warm

Schools have a job to do and it would be a nightmare in the morning getting the homeless out and the students in. Why should children's education suffer when the church is empty 6.5 days a week?

I don't see any schools having faux good cause events. If the church really wanted to help the homeless they really should open up to them in the evening. But yes, let's pass the buck.

alchemist · 01-09-2011, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Tony Erikson

Schools have a job to do and it would be a nightmare in the morning getting the homeless out and the students in. Why should children's education suffer when the church is empty 6.5 days a week?

I don't see any schools having faux good cause events. If the church really wanted to help the homeless they really should open up to them in the evening. But yes, let's pass the buck.

So the church wouldnt have problems then?? I assume that in your opinion the church should pay for staff to cover security overnight and then clearing the place and cleaning before morning services? Also the extra insurance cover that would be required.

The cathedral is empty 6.5 days a week eh?? Have you ever actually BEEN in there anytime??

Tony Erikson · 02-09-2011, 08:11

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Originally Posted by alchemist

So the church wouldnt have problems then?? I assume that in your opinion the church should pay for staff to cover security overnight and then clearing the place and cleaning before morning services? Also the extra insurance cover that would be required.

The cathedral is empty 6.5 days a week eh?? Have you ever actually BEEN in there anytime??

The people could look after themselves. Just because they're homeless doesn't make them lazy.

I haven't been in the Cathedral for a while now but everytime I have been in it's been empty.

If all of the above won't work in a church that only opens the odd day, how do you think the schools would cope? You seem happy for schools to do it yet you're defending the church. The church are the one's who claim to help the needy, they should stick by that rather than having silly sleep overs.