Originally posted by Greybeard And why not ?, - but it doesn't have to be an either/or situation and I'm sure Sheffield is not short of people with more money than sense
Well, yes, both would be nice, I was just thinking that HN and Selfridges sell a wider range of goods than Ikea and also tend to have more imaginative/better looking shops that would add to the city centre, the HN shop in Leeds and Selfridges in Birmingham are both great buildings, Ikea tends to look like a shed.
I'd be disappointed if they only built a small IKEA that sold accessories. It's the furniture that's the real bargain stuff, but you either have to get a van or pay for delivery from Leeds or Nottingham, which is a pain. Yet it's still much cheaper than paying for furniture from DFS type shops, and far more reliable in terms of getting your delivery as IKEA do them next day, whereas go to somewhere like Allied and you might be waiting weeks.
The only furniture places comparable in price are shops like Argos, and then you've to compromise on styling, and you don't even get to try out the furniture! The quality of IKEA stuff is far better than any other 'mass market' furnishings - they do 100% cotton or linen stuff for knockdown prices for example, not nasty polyester.
So until I can afford to buy my furniture at places like Ponsfords I'm afraid IKEA is where I will continue to go, taking my cash outside Sheffield yet again.
A BIG new department store such as Harvey Nicks would be great in the space that runs up from The Moor to Division Street, together with small units, and an underground car park, making the city centre a triangle shape, and more inviting to shoppers who could go round the shops in a circle - one of the big drawbacks is the Y shape to the city centre, which is not conducive to circulating shoppers.
Then a new IKEA could go up between Parkway and Attercliffe, or perhaps close to the existing Retail Park. It wouldn't take ANY business from the city centre, as you simply cannot buy anything similar in Sheffield anyway!
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Originally posted by alchresearch Before I first went to Ikea Warrington, I had no idea what the town was like and had no intention to find out. But, after going I found that Warrington isn't such a bad place, plenty of retail parks with free parking, the ship canal waterfront, nice Cheshire countryside (and some great little pubs) all around and as a result we go there more frequently than before. If it wasn't for the Ikea I still probably would never have gone.
If the same logic is applied to Sheffield, surely it will bring in more tourists and investment because, like Warrington, Sheffield doesn't too a great deal to encourage tourism.
If Sheffielders don't want to use Ikea - fine, don't use it. But don't deny all the potential out of towners who want to come and spend their cash in your area. [/B]
You are very much in the minority I'm afraid. Most visitors to IKEA and the like go no further than the store. A few shops might benefit but as a catalyst for regeneration I don't think so.
My main point was that the things sold by IKEA are not exactly top end in terms of design and quality. There are plenty of other places selling similar types of merchandise. I'm not saying that they don't have a place in the market but I don't think that they would attract anything 'better' to an area.
Originally posted by pete_jim You are very much in the minority I'm afraid. Most visitors to IKEA and the like go no further than the store. A few shops might benefit but as a catalyst for regeneration I don't think so.
My main point was that the things sold by IKEA are not exactly top end in terms of design and quality. There are plenty of other places selling similar types of merchandise. I'm not saying that they don't have a place in the market but I don't think that they would attract anything 'better' to an area.
How can you say most visitors to ikea go no further to the store- of course they do at the minute because all they have is out of town huge outlets- possibly when it is better represented on the high street that will change!
I think i would attract better things to be honest, IKEA (like it or not) is a shopping sensation in england (just look at the money they make) so to get one in sheffield would benefit sheffield no end and might even help persuade some of the 'bigger' brands that sheffield is ready for shops with a more 'exclusive' name.
It certainly beats the **** that we have in town at the minute!
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I woudl welcome an Ikea. If the city council as before rturn it down then they will simply go elsewhere to a city or town that welcomes them.
I also dont think IMO that Ikea will take away business from the City Centre. If they can position close to the city centre then it can only do good as if you are close them maybe it will be worth going that extra distance into the city rather than driving away. Especially as one or two have noted for those non-Sheffield residents who may wish to extend there stay in the city.
Originally posted by pete_jim My main point was that the things sold by IKEA are not exactly top end in terms of design and quality. There are plenty of other places selling similar types of merchandise. I'm not saying that they don't have a place in the market but I don't think that they would attract anything 'better' to an area.
Yes, the stuff they sell is hardly like something from the Conran Shop or handcrafted furnishings and 'objet d'art', but few people can afford that kind of luxury. There really isn't anywhere else that sells the same kind of stuff that IKEA sells - decent design, hardwearing, and cheap.
Even 'common' people are design savvy these days and they can pick up interesting stuff like circular beds or luxurious stuff like pure linen curtains at low prices in IKEA instead of having to put up with the kind of bland, overpriced designs you get in Argos or DFS.
And you'd be surprised at the high number of people with high disposable incomes who shop at IKEA - let's keep their cash here rather than send it to other cities.
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[B Even 'common' people are design savvy these days and they can pick up interesting stuff like circular beds or luxurious stuff like pure linen curtains at low prices in IKEA instead of having to put up with the kind of bland, overpriced designs you get in Argos or DFS.
And you'd be surprised at the high number of people with high disposable incomes who shop at IKEA - let's keep their cash here rather than send it to other cities. [/B]
Are you saying that people who shop at IKEA are 'common'? A dreadful term to start with.
Originally posted by alchresearch If Sheffielders don't want to use Ikea - fine, don't use it. But don't deny all the potential out of towners who want to come and spend their cash in your area.
Two weeks ago I spent £2500 on three bedrooms worth of furniture in Ikea, in both Leeds and Nottingham. That would have been spent in Sheffield had the stupid council not been so blind.
The furniture is of better quality than some we bought for my Mum last year from John Lewis. It was cheaper and it was easier to get home because we had to wait for JL to deliver the stuff for my Mum.
Originally posted by pete_jim Are you saying that people who shop at IKEA are 'common'? A dreadful term to start with.
'twas merely some light sarcasm. hence the '.............'
I think it has been insinuated that those who shop at IKEA are not fully commensurate with the requirements of 'taste' and hence a branch of the store would not bring in the 'right kind of people' to Sheffield. I beg to differ, and so would a lot of other people, both 'common' and 'posh' and otherwise.
I work at the IKEA in leeds and live in sheffield so I'm hoping they build a store for purley selfish reasons namely that I wont have to spend a fortune on diesel going to and fro five days per week.
This argument seems to be concentrating on the business sheffield will get by building an IKEA. What proof do some of you have that people don't visit surrounding areas when they shop at IKEA? most IKEA's are out of town so there isnt much to look at round the area.
A lot of good will come of having this kind of store in sheffield as someone mentioned before helping attract other "bluechip" retailers to the centre and making it a better shopping experience. Also the money that it will bring to other local busineses such as caterers, hardware suppliers, delivery companies just to name but a few as it is mandatory they set up these kind of deals with local companies hence more jobs than just the people working at the store more jobs has got to be good hasn't it?
Originally posted by rinty Two weeks ago I spent £2500 on three bedrooms worth of furniture in Ikea, in both Leeds and Nottingham. That would have been spent in Sheffield had the stupid council not been so blind.
But you would still have given your money to Ikea, it wouldn't have benefited Sheffield in any way, same as your purchase didn't benefit Leeds in any way realy.
Originally posted by nick2 But you would still have given your money to Ikea, it wouldn't have benefited Sheffield in any way, same as your purchase didn't benefit Leeds in any way realy.
Presumably the employees don't commute from Sweden? (ok, it's a small number in itself, but anything is better than nothing, especially if it means there's a shop in town that isn't a pound shop...)
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The jobs that it would create would be of great benefit to Sheffield as the number of people you see on the Leeds Ikea shop floor on an average Sunday gives a fair indication of the number of people required to fully staff it for a week!
Economics aside, I also love Swedish Apple Cake and would love to not have to queue for parking at Leeds for half my lifetime just to get to the cafe to have some
Originally posted by jossyboy I work at the IKEA in leeds and live in sheffield so I'm hoping they build a store for purley selfish reasons namely that I wont have to spend a fortune on diesel going to and fro five days per week.
If you don't mind me asking, how many members of staff does the store have?
Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet Well you see, we tend to have taste in Sheffield... Hence there is still no Ikea store in Sheffield.
No, I have fantastic taste and I nip off to the nearest Ikea on a fairly regular basis. Which is what I imagine those with equally superb taste in Sheffield do.
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Originally posted by Mathom 'twas merely some light sarcasm. hence the '.............'
I think it has been insinuated that those who shop at IKEA are not fully commensurate with the requirements of 'taste' and hence a branch of the store would not bring in the 'right kind of people' to Sheffield. I beg to differ, and so would a lot of other people, both 'common' and 'posh' and otherwise.
Surely bringing in people, posh or otherwise is the goal? I'm at a loss to think of any shops, posh or otherwise, that bring people to Sheffield like the designer stores in Leeds and Manc.
Originally posted by rinty Too true. I've driven past loads of houses with these tasteful people living inside over Christmas and they all have lovely tasteful lights outside that you can buy from B&Q.
Those nasty, style free Ikea shops don't have anything tasteful in at all like that.
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Good call But think about it, cheap swedish pine cr#p
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Originally posted by DaBouncer I personally think the Centertainment area has some decent space to put an IKEA.
Club WOW is sat empty as is that whole block now Brannigans has shut down... that place could certainly be refitted and turned into an IKEA.
With ample parking space too AND being close to meadowhell, M1 etc it's certainly a prime location in my opinion.
There's not enough parking at Centertainement ! The meer showing of a premiere film and the entire area is full. Putting Ikea in Branigans: yes, but you need to triple the parking to 1/ manage the amount of cars that are CURRENTLY using the parking, and 2/ cope with the added traffic.
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(ok, it's a small number in itself, but anything is better than nothing, especially if it means there's a shop in town that isn't a pound shop...)
