[perplexed]

Originally Posted by Eater Sundae

One particular advantage of retaining the 30 limit, even though many do nearer 40, is that it might deter some of those who otherwise would drive at 50.

I'd agree with this.

It's almost a sliding scale of "allowances". People probably think, "well, it's a 30 limit, my speedo probably over-reads by 10%, plus the police probably allow a bit, so I'm probabaly ok to do 35 ish before they get interested..."

Apply the same formula if it was to be a 40 limit, and suddenly people are doing 50 mph... And will still whine when they get caught.

If you're cycling along there, as I do occasionally, it's reasonably pleasant if a significant number of people are doing 30 mph. Not quite so if they're doing 40 to 50... (And I'll mention the cycle lane before anyone else does. I don't use it because it's strewn with broken glass, it wriggles about, it's rubbish, it isn't gritted in winter, and because I don't have to.)

When I'm driving along there I have no difficulty sticking to 30 mph. There are traffic lights frequently anyway, so a 40 mph limit would probably encourage more "boot and brakes" driving.

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by alchresearch

The phrase "cash cow" in these threads is equal to Godwin's Law.

Its a completely avoidable fine if you pay attention to your speedo and the road signs. Sadly it seems many of you can't or won't do that. And as long as they continue to get people breaking the limit they won't change it in our favour - because they can rightly claim drivers aren't paying attention, and that is a safety issue.

So in all your years of driving you have never once drifted over the posted speed limit?

I generally know the speed I am travelling within 5mph without looking at my speedo, however there will be people who cant judge speed accuratly, the only way for them to overcome this would be to constantley stare at their speedo, probably resulting in a crash. The other option if for them to drive drastically below the speed limit.

I always love the people who come on here claiming to be driving saints who never speed, cut anyone up or break any law. Its clearly bull****, we are all humans and as such are naturally flawed.

[alchresearch]

Originally Posted by Bonjon

however there will be people who cant judge speed accuratly, the only way for them to overcome this would be to constantley stare at their speedo, probably resulting in a crash. The other option if for them to drive drastically below the speed limit.

Another generalisation excuse. That kind of driving wouldn't get you a pass during a driving test, so why is it acceptable after they've got a licence?

Originally Posted by Bonjon

I always love the people who come on here claiming to be driving saints who never speed, cut anyone up or break any law. Its clearly bull****, we are all humans and as such are naturally flawed.

Don't judge people by your standards, particularly when you take into account your posts and the lies regarding the law when it comes to parking.

[Cyclone]

I agree, it's a lie when someone claims to never speed.

I've had numerous people claim it. Then I go for a ride and take delight in pointing out when we hit 35 in the 30 zone.

[hugh jarse]

Originally Posted by Bonjon

So in all your years of driving you have never once drifted over the posted speed limit?

I generally know the speed I am travelling within 5mph without looking at my speedo, however there will be people who cant judge speed accuratly, the only way for them to overcome this would be to constantley stare at their speedo, probably resulting in a crash. The other option if for them to drive drastically below the speed limit.

I always love the people who come on here claiming to be driving saints who never speed, cut anyone up or break any law. Its clearly bull****, we are all humans and as such are naturally flawed.

We can all drive at 30 miles an hour if we chose to, if our cars were fitted with a device that the engine blew up at 32mph most of us would be able to drive at its maximum of 30. Unless we are tired or have our minds on other things then we do chose to drive at whatever speed we feel to be safe. Thats the problem... my view of safe and my 20 year old sons view are worlds apart...if he's not accelerating or braking or tailgating he's not making progress yet on most trips he arrives at the same time as the car in front....he's gained nothing...without an overtake then the car in front dictates our speed and this is what drivers hate, losing their freedom to chose a speed and yet it's gone already, that option is not there in any kind of traffic but is as soon as the road opens up so thats where the scamera van will wait they are not daft they are drivers too...they know how it works

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by alchresearch

Another generalisation excuse. That kind of driving wouldn't get you a pass during a driving test, so why is it acceptable after they've got a licence?



Don't judge people by your standards, particularly when you take into account your posts and the lies regarding the law when it comes to parking.

I wont go into the legalities or the law regarding parking because that has nothing to do with this thread.

So come on then are you saying you have never gone over the speed limit?

As for speeding on your driving test, that doesn't mean a fail, excessive speed on a driving test can end in a minor mark. So even drving examiners acknowledge that people can drift above the limit, but still be passed as a safe driver

[hugh jarse]

on my sons motorbike test he got some good advice, he was told that the examiner on the following bike will ride at pace but will not break the speed limit so on an open road if my son stretches the gap he may be speeding and unaware of it and that the invisible elastic band between the bikes will break at some point and he will have failed...the examiners may choose to give a few mph but so does the camera its never fixed at 30mph

[Planner1]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Do an 85th percentile study, outside of rush hour I doubt that there are many vehicles sticking to 30.

Certainly wouldn't make a difference at peak times, but there are more than 3 hours in the day you know.
I don't see how it would cost a huge amount. Have the price of 40 repeaters gone up recently?

As I've said, shaving a few seconds of your out of peak journey time is, quite rightly, probably not a high priority for the Council.

See post #73, the cost of the repeaters is pretty small compared to the other necessary work.

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by Planner1

As I've said, shaving a few seconds of your out of peak journey time is, quite rightly, probably not a high priority for the Council.

See post #73, the cost of the repeaters is pretty small compared to the other necessary work.

But the town planners thought it was ok to change major parts of the city to accomodate tram gates to shave a few seconds off journeys??

Sorry just remebered they didn't do it to save anyone time, its a revenue generator.

[L00b]

The cash cow/'revenue' argument really doesn't wash, I wish idi...some posters would lay off it by now.

The Police has always enforced speed limits, decades before the advent of automatic Gatso-type cameras, in countless countries. Abnd likely always will, so long as people (fallible by nature) still drive.

The main purpose is simple, and has always been the same: deter drivers from driving at what is deemed an excessive speed for the area/circumstances (and accessorily catch speeding drivers, if any are daf...unfortunate enough to zoom by at the time).

Brit drivers have it easy: by the interplay of various rules and regs, and save as to the very few undercover cars in use, traffic police (and the like) and enforcement vans/cameras have to signpost their presence with neon colours, high visibility, advance signs and the like.

Try France, where Gatso-type cameras are still but a minute exception, and Police, Gendarmes and (on motorways) CRS deliberately hide their laser-equipped radars, hunter-like, in bushes, behind trees, just after bends, between parked cars, under bridges, etc, etc., sneaky as they can, with no advance warning, signs or displays whatsoever.

Quit moaning and accept responsibility for your actions (noone else is pushing that pedal for you). For a change.

[steelhead4]

I'm sorry but irony of Bonjon commenting about underhand practices just has to be highlighted.

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[Eater Sundae]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

I agree, it's a lie when someone claims to never speed.
I've had numerous people claim it. Then I go for a ride and take delight in pointing out when we hit 35 in the 30 zone.

There are plenty of threads like this, and I often see comments like the one I've emboldened above. Yet I do not recall seeing a poster claiming that they never ever exceed the speed limit. Do such posts exist?

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by Eater Sundae

There are plenty of threads like this, and I often see comments like the one I've emboldened above. Yet I do not recall seeing a poster claiming that they never ever exceed the speed limit. Do such posts exist?

Thats because admitting to such a thing would show just how much of a hypocrite they are.

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by steelhead4

I'm sorry but irony of Bonjon commenting about underhand practices just has to be highlighted.

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Please explain?? And also explain the relevance to this thread, i'm pretty sure if you are insinuating what I think you are, then I quite clearly stated that this thread has no relevance to that one.

[alchresearch]

Originally Posted by Bonjon

Please explain?? And also explain the relevance to this thread, i'm pretty sure if you are insinuating what I think you are, then I quite clearly stated that this thread has no relevance to that one.

OK then, explain the relevance of the questioning of my driving style to this thread. Why do you want to know if I break the speed limit? And even if I told you that I didn't you wouldn't believe me. What's it got to to with the topic? Is your argument so flawed and weak that you have to attack me personally?

I've never been caught by a camera - hidden or visible, because I drive to the speed limit (or less if conditions warrant it)

No, I often don't think some roads have the right limit and I would like to do 80 or 90 on the motorway because I'm mature enough to understand that conditions are one of a number of factors of driving at speed. I regularly have a good laugh at the morons on the M56 daily who drive inches from the bumper of the car in front because "its a motorway and I should be doing 70mph" and then they have to slam on and invariably crash while I sail past at a steady 60 and often see them at the same junction as me, except they're all stressed through all the rapid accelerating and braking and I've took it steady because I know the conditions and that its futile.

And I've not had an accident and hit anyone either.

No doubt that really sickens you that your character assassination has come undone just because I decide to promote and side with the law! Talk about shooting the messenger! What's your great excuse?

[Bonjon]

Originally Posted by alchresearch

OK then, explain the relevance of the questioning of my driving style to this thread. Why do you want to know if I break the speed limit? And even if I told you that I didn't you wouldn't believe me. What's it got to to with the topic? Is your argument so flawed and weak that you have to attack me personally?

I've never been caught by a camera - hidden or visible, because I drive to the speed limit (or less if conditions warrant it)

No, I often don't think some roads have the right limit and I would like to do 80 or 90 on the motorway because I'm mature enough to understand that conditions are one of a number of factors of driving at speed. I regularly have a good laugh at the morons on the M56 daily who drive inches from the bumper of the car in front because "its a motorway and I should be doing 70mph" and then they have to slam on and invariably crash while I sail past at a steady 60 and often see them at the same junction as me, except they're all stressed through all the rapid accelerating and braking and I've took it steady because I know the conditions and that its futile.

And I've not had an accident and hit anyone either.

No doubt that really sickens you that your character assassination has come undone just because I decide to promote and side with the law! Talk about shooting the messenger! What's your great excuse?

You clearly have some underlying issue with me. My point was every driving thread you go on you try to portray your driving excelance, which going by what you just posted is more a case of you being a nervous wreck behind the wheel.

So you are the guy that likes to hold everyone up on certain roads in a morning by going 30 in a 60 because it rained 3 hours ago, then slow down to 15 mph at the bend just in case you spin off. Then when you get overtaken (which I imagine is a lot) it can be seen that your sat inches from the wheel, so terrified you daren't even look out of the mirrors, again just incase you go into an uncontrollable spin.

Maybe the bus would be more suited to yourself

[texassheff]

Hmmmm, you are one of those law abiding citizens who thinks it's ok to go through red lights, across pedestrian crossings and on pavements when it suits you, just because you ride a bicycle. The worst road users of all I am sure.

Originally Posted by hugh jarse

In America the most common advice given to visiting UK drivers hiring a car is that the posted speed is the maximum speed allowed and not a target and 33mph in a 30mph zone will get you a ticket. So it means that sitting at 30mph with your foot on the pedal will lead to a lowering in speed as you daydream without you knowing then a speeding up to catch up the traffic where you go over the limit....my car is only a little Mitsubishi Colt yet it has cruise control which is so useful to keep the speed limit and somehow begins to leave the car behind who's foot drops to 27mph then has to speed to recover the average

In the UK we view speed limits as the minimum so it's 33 in a 30mph and 66 in a 60mph and we tend to get away with it even on camera sites but our view is of making progress and shaving a minutes from our journey time, but as already posted in this thread... on a road with many sets of traffic lights its the lights that have the final say at what time you arrive. Or the traffic jam but us on bikes don't do traffic jams we still make progress even when everything is stood Buy a bike!

[texassheff]

The type of person who slows down to 30 when faced with a speed camera in a 40 limit, Halifax Road for example. Do people genuinely believe they would be calibrated wrongly!?

Originally Posted by Bonjon

You clearly have some underlying issue with me. My point was every driving thread you go on you try to portray your driving excelance, which going by what you just posted is more a case of you being a nervous wreck behind the wheel.

So you are the guy that likes to hold everyone up on certain roads in a morning by going 30 in a 60 because it rained 3 hours ago, then slow down to 15 mph at the bend just in case you spin off. Then when you get overtaken (which I imagine is a lot) it can be seen that your sat inches from the wheel, so terrified you daren't even look out of the mirrors, again just incase you go into an uncontrollable spin.

Maybe the bus would be more suited to yourself

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Eater Sundae

There are plenty of threads like this, and I often see comments like the one I've emboldened above. Yet I do not recall seeing a poster claiming that they never ever exceed the speed limit. Do such posts exist?

Did you read the posts by alchresearch. He's either calling himself a bad driver, or claiming that he never speeds. I assumed it was the latter as he certainly didn't seem to include himself with "many of you can't or won't do that" (stay below the posted limit).

Looks like a pretty clear case of claiming that he never speeds...

[Eater Sundae]

Originally Posted by Cyclone

Did you read the posts by alchresearch. He's either calling himself a bad driver, or claiming that he never speeds. I assumed it was the latter as he certainly didn't seem to include himself with "many of you can't or won't do that" (stay below the posted limit).

Looks like a pretty clear case of claiming that he never speeds...

No it doesn't