[truthlogic]

please if there are any islamaphobes please dont post,

this thread is Only to do with how the western media uses this story further their agenda.

If you research into the Islamic texts you will realize that there is no mention of

72virgins
or any type of reward for suicide.

see link: http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/20...-virgins-myth/

Yet the whole Entire western media has latched on too this catchphrase and is repeated over and over , including our very own BBC,


Yes there is one record of a mullah in Gaza telling folk this tale, but other than that what evidence is there that even fundelmetalists call for such a thing?


Even the BBC have attempted to mislead its readers and suggest a Jamaican born Muslim repeated these calls. but in fact he did not, read on

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2687797.stm

why would the BBC make up words?


is this another case of "wipe Israel of the map" syndrome

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

is this another case of "wipe Israel of the map" syndrome

You appear to be claiming that is isn't. The guy accused of wanting to "wipe Israel off the map" is known, and has been proven, to have used the equivalent Arab idiom - "wiped out of the pages of history" or something along those lines.

You're claiming that Muslim fanatic leaders do not promise 72 virgins to their followers.

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

You appear to be claiming that is isn't. The guy accused of wanting to "wipe Israel off the map" is known, and has been proven, to have used the equivalent Arab idiom - "wiped out of the pages of history" or something along those lines.

You're claiming that Muslim fanatic leaders do not promise 72 virgins to their followers.

the wipe Israel of the map is the Biggest lie/myth of planet earth!
see my other thread, ( i suggest you do some research on EXACTLY what words were used and you will see that words such as " wipe/ wiped of the map " were never used ( and they dont speak Arabic or arab in Iran )


i have seen one gazan hamas cleric/mullah or what ever they wish to be called claim that, yes

but the bbc lied about the Jamaican cleric

[Dozy]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

...


Even the BBC have attempted to mislead its readers and suggest a Jamaican born Muslim repeated these calls. but in fact he did not, read on

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2687797.stm

why would the BBC make up words?


is this another case of "wipe Israel of the map" syndrome

How do you know the BBC is lying?? Have you seen the video recording that was played in Court and which the BBC quotes are taken from?

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Dozy

How do you know the BBC is lying?? Have you seen the video recording that was played in Court and which the BBC quotes are taken from?

quotes are highlighted by " "


Their rewards in paradise would include 72 virgins and eating from the fruits of paradise, he said.

he did not say that , hence why they did not quote mark it

yet every other remark is quoted

[Longcol]

Article here with the "72 virgins" in inverted commas.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-deported.html

[Dozy]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

quotes are highlighted by " "


Their rewards in paradise would include 72 virgins and eating from the fruits of paradise, he said.

he did not say that , hence why they did not quote mark it

yet every other remark is quoted

Sorry, but concluding that the BBC is lying simply because they didn't make a direct quote from the video about the 72 virgins is nonsense.

Why on earth would they tell a lie which could be so easily refuted by any of the other journalists or members of the public who were in the Court?

[Nagel]

As non-muslims I don't think it's our place to comment on the details of the religion. All we can comment on is how the religion affects us.

I don't care about the details of the motivation of a suicide bomber. All I care about is that it is wrong.

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Dozy

Sorry, but concluding that the BBC is lying simply because they didn't make a direct quote from the video about the 72 virgins is nonsense.

Why on earth would they tell a lie which could be so easily refuted by any of the other journalists or members of the public who were in the Court?

ok

please tell me who has also repeated the 72 virgin quote?

evidence in the form of a vid , as we all know media is capable of lying

if you dont think they are let me know :-)

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Nagel

As non-muslims I don't think it's our place to comment on the details of the religion. All we can comment on is how the religion affects us.

I don't care about the details of the motivation of a suicide bomber. All I care about is that it is wrong.

true , could not agree

however i think motivation lies in decades of oppression ( in middle east case )

and occupation in the other ( Taliban )

rather than the media telling us they do it for heavenly sex ,.

[Lady Star]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

true , could not agree

however i think motivation lies in decades of oppression ( in middle east case )

and occupation in the other ( Taliban )

Surely if you are suicidal following decades of personal oppression, it would be a kinder thing not to take others with you when you commit suicide?

Suicide bombers are weak minded, and are easily turned by those who wish to abuse them and those who they will later come into contact with... Those who have made rash promises as to what will happen to someone in heaven who has not only taken their own life, but also murdered others, are not likely to take up their own offer... They are simply not stupid enough!

If you know anything different about islam that the kids who kill others when they are commiting suicide don't know, why not connect with them, and draw them into your way of thinking... You'd be doing them and those around them a great service...

[Nagel]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

true , could not agree

however i think motivation lies in decades of oppression ( in middle east case )

and occupation in the other ( Taliban )

rather than the media telling us they do it for heavenly sex ,.

What I don't understand is that most suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are by muslims against other muslims. What's that about?

[Lady Star]

Originally Posted by Nagel

What I don't understand is that most suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are by muslims against other muslims. What's that about?

Apparently muslims are 54 times more likely to die in a suicide bombing than any other group... Maybe those muslims just aren't 'muslim' enough for the suicide bomber? Perhaps they bomb muslims who haven't been oppressed?

[Dozy]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

ok

please tell me who has also repeated the 72 virgin quote?

evidence in the form of a vid , as we all know media is capable of lying

if you dont think they are let me know :-)

This reply of yours has absolutely no relevance to what I posted - I suggest you read my post again and, if you can come up with something sensible, I'll respond to it.

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Lady Star

Surely if you are suicidal following decades of personal oppression, it would be a kinder thing not to take others with you when you commit suicide?

Suicide bombers are weak minded, and are easily turned by those who wish to abuse them and those who they will later come into contact with... Those who have made rash promises as to what will happen to someone in heaven who has not only taken their own life, but also murdered others, are not likely to take up their own offer... They are simply not stupid enough!

If you know anything different about islam that the kids who kill others when they are commiting suicide don't know, why not connect with them, and draw them into your way of thinking... You'd be doing them and those around them a great service...

I realy could not go into detail why people decide to do these things

i was merely pointing out the logical fact that oppression / occupation will have a greater bearing on the matter then the few whabbis who promote this propaganda

and the media who also push it.....

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Nagel

What I don't understand is that most suicide bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are by muslims against other muslims. What's that about?

do you think its about 72 virgins?

[truthlogic]

Originally Posted by Dozy

Sorry, but concluding that the BBC is lying simply because they didn't make a direct quote from the video about the 72 virgins is nonsense.

Why on earth would they tell a lie which could be so easily refuted by any of the other journalists or members of the public who were in the Court?

ok lets try again...

there is NO evidence whats so ever that the jamican born Abdullah El-Faisal ever promised 72 virgins to any one...

now do you think that the bbc wont lie to you?

[Longcol]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

do you think its about 72 virgins?

No - but why are most victims of suicide bombs fellow muslims?

[Lady Star]

Originally Posted by truthlogic

I realy could not go into detail why people decide to do these things

i was merely pointing out the logical fact that oppression / occupation will have a greater bearing on the matter then the few whabbis who promote this propaganda

and the media who also push it.....

It has to be said that the crap that spouts from fundamentalists makes good copy though... Easier to stand amazed at what some people will believe, than to write thought provoking copy regarding the ins and outs of the middle east etc... You can read such things in the UK media, however... You don't have to be a slave to the redtops...

[Lady Star]

What makes the 72 virgins such a big thing for you anyways?