spindrift   10 #1 Posted January 18, 2011 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23915053-gay-couple-win-legal-battle-over-double-room-at-christian-hotel.do   Christian hotel owners who refused a gay couple a double-room at their guesthouse were today ordered to pay compensation after breaking the law.  Peter and Hazelmary Bull must now pay £3,600 damages to Martyn Hall and his civil partner Steven Preddy after denying them a room at their hotel in Cornwall in 2008.  A judge today said the couple had broken equality laws and said that “social attitudes” in Britain have changed.  Mr Hall and Mr Preddy, from Bristol, had been seeking up to £5,000 damages for sexual orientation discrimination.  The Bulls claimed their decision to refuse the couple a bed was based on their beliefs about marriage and not a hostility to sexual orientation.  But in his judgement at Bristol County Court, Judge Andrew Rutherford said their views were out of date. He said: “It is inevitable that laws will, from time to time, cut across the deeply held beliefs of individuals and sections of society for they reflect the social attitudes and morals prevailing at the time that they are made.”  He pointed to the abolition of capital punishment, beatings in schools, the decriminalisation of homosexuality and suicide – and even the ban on hunting and smoking in public places.  In this case he stressed he had no doubt that the Bulls were genuine in their beliefs.  But, he added: “Not so very long ago these beliefs would have been those accepted as normal by society at large. Now it is the other way around.”  After the ruling Mr Preddy and Mr Hall said they were extremely pleased with the outcome.  “When we booked this hotel we just wanted to do something that thousands of other couples do every weekend –take a relaxing weekend break away.We checked that the hotel would allow us to bring our dog, but it didn't even cross our minds that in 2008 we would have to check whether we would be welcome ourselves.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
spindrift   10 #2 Posted January 18, 2011 Years ago B&Bs had signs saying:  "No Irish, tinkers or coloureds"  We live in more enlightened times, fortunately, a bed and breakfast is a business, you cannot discriminate in business based on peoples' race or gender or sexual orientation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
HotPhil   10 #3 Posted January 18, 2011 It's an interesting point. The belief/principals of the owners is deemed to be in the wrong when deciding who they allow into their home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Glamrocker   10 #4 Posted January 18, 2011 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23915053-gay-couple-win-legal-battle-over-double-room-at-christian-hotel.do  Christian hotel owners who refused a gay couple a double-room at their guesthouse were today ordered to pay compensation after breaking the law.  Peter and Hazelmary Bull must now pay £3,600 damages to Martyn Hall and his civil partner Steven Preddy after denying them a room at their hotel in Cornwall in 2008.  A judge today said the couple had broken equality laws and said that “social attitudes” in Britain have changed.  Mr Hall and Mr Preddy, from Bristol, had been seeking up to £5,000 damages for sexual orientation discrimination.  The Bulls claimed their decision to refuse the couple a bed was based on their beliefs about marriage and not a hostility to sexual orientation.  But in his judgement at Bristol County Court, Judge Andrew Rutherford said their views were out of date. He said: “It is inevitable that laws will, from time to time, cut across the deeply held beliefs of individuals and sections of society for they reflect the social attitudes and morals prevailing at the time that they are made.”  He pointed to the abolition of capital punishment, beatings in schools, the decriminalisation of homosexuality and suicide – and even the ban on hunting and smoking in public places.  In this case he stressed he had no doubt that the Bulls were genuine in their beliefs.  But, he added: “Not so very long ago these beliefs would have been those accepted as normal by society at large. Now it is the other way around.”  After the ruling Mr Preddy and Mr Hall said they were extremely pleased with the outcome.  “When we booked this hotel we just wanted to do something that thousands of other couples do every weekend –take a relaxing weekend break away.We checked that the hotel would allow us to bring our dog, but it didn't even cross our minds that in 2008 we would have to check whether we would be welcome ourselves.” So in this respect he can hire his rooms out for euthanasia legally Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
spindrift   10 #5 Posted January 18, 2011 So in this respect he can hire his rooms out for euthanasia legally  suicide isn't illegal, euthanasia is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
spindrift   10 #6 Posted January 18, 2011 It's an interesting point. The belief/principals of the owners is deemed to be in the wrong when deciding who they allow into their home.  yep, just as if the B&B owners "believed" that everyone from Wales is a paedophile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #7 Posted January 18, 2011 So in this respect he can hire his rooms out for euthanasia legally Feel free to try it out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #8 Posted January 18, 2011 It's an interesting point. The belief/principals of the owners is deemed to be in the wrong when deciding who they allow into their home.  It ceases to be just their home though, when they start charging money for services..  When I used to work away from Sheffield down south - which would be the early 1990/1 I used to stay at a B&B that was run by a fearsome lady. She had a sign that simply said "Lodgings for Singles" (either men or women). She basically didn't want rumpy-pumpy in the night. I wonder if that would be considered acceptable or legal these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #9 Posted January 18, 2011 It ceases to be just their home though, when they start charging money for services.. .  Yet a publican can refuse to serve anyone without giving a reason (as far as I know anyway) Is a retail shop forced to take anyone's custom? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
spindrift   10 #10 Posted January 18, 2011 Yet a publican can refuse to serve anyone without giving a reason (as far as I know anyway) Is a retail shop forced to take anyone's custom?  Not the same thing at all.  If a black publican was found to be refusing to serve any white person would you support him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #11 Posted January 18, 2011 Not the same thing at all. If a black publican was found to be refusing to serve any white person would you support him?  Explain why it's different ...genuine question..and where did I say I was supporting the hotel owners? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Glamrocker   10 #12 Posted January 18, 2011 suicide isn't illegal, euthanasia is. Your correct ok..... Suicides welcome reduced charges for unfulfilled term of residence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...