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10-11-2005, 17:44   #1
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...near the Central Library up to a few years ago....
Great shop, and a well-known meeting place, too....
In fact, people used to name it when giving directions, in the same vein as pub names.
So - what happened?
Think it was eventually run by the founder's grandson - Paul Hibbert?
Still around the area?
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12-11-2005, 11:33   #2
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Now understand that another family (Greaves) may have also been involved somehow.....
Anyway, still looking for info re Paul Hibbert if anyone can assist....
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12-11-2005, 21:28   #3
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Years ago a colleague went to Hibberts to buy a works leaving present. He asked for an original painting for the 30 quid he had collected.

"We have nothing at that price sir," said a snooty assistant.

Colleague insisted they had and there was one in the window for only 18:50. They both went outside to look....

"That, sir, is the date it was painted", said the even snootier assistant - with a great big smile.

Always had a liking for that shop after that.
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14-11-2005, 09:06   #4
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I was sad to see Hibbert's shop close, it was another of Sheffield landmarks that identified part of Sheffield.

I do not know how old the shop was there but my family used to have an old Sheffield painting that was framed by Hibberts in 1897.

I often wondered how old this family shop was.

Maybe some local history buff could let us know?


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16-11-2005, 08:54   #5
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from what I can remember, the good old city council increased the council tax for that particular premises that Hibberts stated that they could no longer afford to stay ther and as far as I know the name of 'Hibberts' was closed down. I used to get my George Cunningham prints from there.
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01-02-2007, 10:25   #6
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I think that they are now in Bakewell in Derbyshire
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01-02-2007, 13:18   #7
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from what I can remember, the good old city council increased the council tax for that particular premises that Hibberts stated that they could no longer afford to stay ther
The rate for commercial properties is set by central government based on valuations made by the Inland Revenue - where exactly do the City Council come into this (unless you're looking for a scapegoat)? As far as I recall they closed simply because it was no longer a viable business proposition in that location.
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01-02-2007, 14:18   #8
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of 'Hibberts' was closed down. I used to get my George Cunningham prints from there.
I bought a framed print of Cunninghams 'Hillsborough Corners' when they had their closing sale about 97 ( I think )
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01-02-2007, 21:32   #9
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Isn't that shop now a herbalist's?
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01-02-2007, 21:57   #10
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There was a William Hibbert, Fargate a Gilder 1849, in 1876 he was a artist material supplier still in Fargate may be the same Hibbert.
1901 hibberts were fine art dealers and 1927 Hibbert bros Norfolk st fine art dealers.
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01-02-2007, 23:10   #11
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IIRC Paul Hibbert-Greaves was running the shop at the time it was closed and moved the business out to either Bakewell or Baslow. I'm not sure if it's still open?
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02-02-2007, 16:34   #12
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I think that they are now in Bakewell in Derbyshire

That sounds right as I am sure I once read that the family did live in deepest Derbyshire.
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03-02-2007, 18:15   #13
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from what I can remember, the good old city council increased the council tax for that particular premises that Hibberts stated that they could no longer afford to stay there and as far as I know the name of 'Hibberts' was closed down.
This is exactly what happened. There was quite a furore at the time, as was documented in the pages of "The Star". Hibberts had been in Sheffield for well over a century (I think since the 1830s) but this apparently meant nothing to the powers that be, who were only interested in charging a "fair" amount of tax on the premises. As deadheadfred wrote, "it was no longer a viable business proposition in that location" - but this was solely due to the increase in tax. The shop therefore closed and it's now a trendy health food store.

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03-02-2007, 23:25   #14
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The 'trendy' herbalist is Wicker Herbal Stores. It used to have a fabulous vegetarian cafe upstairs, but unfortunately it closed down - maybe a sign of things not going so good for them too in the same location, although they are used to city centre charges as they used to have two shops one Union Street near where Ha Ha Bar is now and one round the corner on St Pauls Parade - at the other side of Ha Ha Bar!!. This new one is much better though, the other ones seemed very old fashioned and crowded.
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from what I can remember, the good old city council increased the council tax for that particular premises that Hibberts stated that they could no longer afford to stay ther and as far as I know the name of 'Hibberts' was closed down. I used to get my George Cunningham prints from there.
The good old city council isn't responsible for setting business rates ... that's the Government's job ...

None of us can really afford the business rates unless you have a thriving, profitable business. Hibbert's unfortunately was obviously no longer viable. Why should the rest of us have to subsidise failing businesses? Most of us are in the same position. Rent and business rates are crippling small independent businesses all over the country. Along with competition from supermarkets and 'warehouses', small shops are closing down at the rate of one every day in UK

It's just the way things are.
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25-10-2007, 12:29   #16
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So did I !!!

Heard they moved to Matlock area????
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20-11-2007, 14:17   #17
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You were quite right about the councils decision to put up the rates etc. it was a factor for Hibberts to move on to Bakewell. Hibbert Bros now no longer exists. Unfortunately Miss Hibbert (Freda Greaves) passed away in February 2005 aged 92. John Greaves (Harry) now lives by the seaside and is well. Paul Hibbert-Greaves no longer lives in Yorkshire but is well and in a completely different business.
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10-12-2007, 11:59   #18
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If I've worked things out correctly, William HIBBERT began the business: certainly by 1839 he's in the directory at 78 Fargate as Carvers & Gilders; under the name Marples & Hibbert - Marples was his wife's (Matilda) maiden name and had several brothers. At what time the business changes to Hibbert Bros I've not noted, but would be easy enough to follow using relevant trade directories.

William and Matilda were my GGG Grandparents: some years ago I did some research at Sheffield Archives and managed to get into Hibbert Bros in the Saturday lunch break: unfortunately although I spoke to Mrs Lidgard, her sister Freda was busy in her office with a customer. Mrs Lidgard said that a cousin/uncle had done some family history research, but on his death the papers had been lost. I tried to maintain contact with Mrs Lidgard when I returned to London, but unfortunately she never replied. I'd love to hear from any of the family. Jay
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11-12-2007, 18:51   #19
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I have been in touch with Paul, he will look into finding out some details and will let you know.
However, as a starter, the Hibberts were from Buckinghamshire - Chalfont Hall (think thats how it is spelt), Sir William Hibbert. Frank & William came from Buckinghamshire to Sheffield at the start of the Industrial Revolution.
Hibbert Bros was started in Fargate in 1834 and moved to Surrey St
they married two Marple sisters from a steel family.
Will have more info soon.
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11-12-2007, 19:17   #20
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Thank you, I look forward to hearing from a possible relative!
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