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Old 14-01-2011, 16:05   #21
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I would like to see the reasoning behind that, as I'm sure many others would.

Why should a school with loads of low income children get so much more money per child? Surely the (sold off) playing field should be level, with all children given the same opportunities.
Full link (http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/e...-poor-children Perhaps this explains some of it. Children dont start on a level playing field so dont get the same opportunities. Reading this is does suggest that perhaps more focus/money should go to primary schools so the benefits can be delivered early.

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Analysis of the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children suggested that the gap in attainment between children from the poorest and richest backgrounds, already large at age five, grew particularly fast during the primary school years. By age eleven, only around three-quarters of children from the poorest fifth of families reached the expected level at Key Stage 2, compared with 97 per cent of children from the richest fifth.

Poorer children who performed well in Key Stage tests at age seven were more likely than better-off children to fall behind by age eleven, and poorer children who performed badly at seven were less likely to improve their ranking compared with children from better-off backgrounds – an important factor behind the widening gap.

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Analysis of the Longitudinal Study of Young People in England found that attainment gaps at age eleven were already large and further widening was relatively small in the teen years compared with earlier in childhood. By the time young people take their GCSEs, the gap between rich and poor is very large. For example, only 21 per cent of the poorest fifth (measured by parental socio-economic position (SEP)) managed to gain five good GCSEs (grades A*-C, including English and Maths), compared with 75 per cent of the top quintile.

It becomes harder to reverse patterns of under-achievement by the teenage years but there are some ways that disadvantage and poor school results continue to be linked. While intervening earlier in childhood is likely to be most effective, policies aimed at improving attitudes and behaviour among teenagers could also have some beneficial effects in preventing children from poor backgrounds falling yet further behind during the secondary school years.
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Old 14-01-2011, 21:50   #22
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I would like to see the reasoning behind that, as I'm sure many others would.

Why should a school with loads of low income children get so much more money per child? Surely the (sold off) playing field should be level, with all children given the same opportunities.

It sounds like I'll be getting one of these letters today. I'm glad I'm prepared in advance so I don't have to throw a temper tantrum this evening.

PS that's rhetorical, Ms Macbeth, not aimed at you
It seems to be generally accepted that children from poor backgrounds go to low achieving schools. However, there are some schools that seem to break the mould, such as this one in London http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ugh-hackney.do It got a mention on Question Time last night.

Seems to me they've gone back to old fashioned values about how schools should be run, and in their case it seems to be working.
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Old 14-01-2011, 22:20   #23
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I'm struggling to understand how this works. So the school will get £430 for every child that claims free school meals but is this just to cover the cost of the meals provided over the year or does that money come from elsewhere. If it's to pay for the extra amount of food needed for the extra school meals i don't see how it will help the school.
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Old 14-01-2011, 22:26   #24
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I would like to see the reasoning behind that, as I'm sure many others would.

If you ask any PGCE student, they should be able to tell you of the very clear link between social class and educational achievement.

Sadly, there is an equivalent link between social class and income.

That is why poor kids achieve less. I'm not sure that throwing money at kids in poor areas is the answer though. Perhaps we should throw them quality and opportunity instead.
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Old 14-01-2011, 22:28   #25
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I'm struggling to understand how this works. So the school will get £430 for every child that claims free school meals but is this just to cover the cost of the meals provided over the year or does that money come from elsewhere. If it's to pay for the extra amount of food needed for the extra school meals i don't see how it will help the school.
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No. The money is there to fund improvements in the educational opportunities of the poorest kids. The poorer the school, the higher the pupil premium.
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Old 15-01-2011, 06:33   #26
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This funding is allocated to schools on the basis of how many students are entitled to free school meals as at 20th January.
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The letter then goes on to ask that all parents whose child is eligible for free school meals ensure they are claiming them.
Hold on, if the funding is based on the number of pupils entitled to free school meals it's irrelevant (as far as the funding) whether they're actually claiming them or not.
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Old 15-01-2011, 06:49   #27
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Hold on, if the funding is based on the number of pupils entitled to free school meals it's irrelevant (as far as the funding) whether they're actually claiming them or not.
Yes but the school doesn't know who is entitled and who isn't, so they need parents to make a claim so they can get the funding.
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