Geert Wilders Trial collapses: retrail ordered

mj.scuba · 26-10-2010, 12:58

Judiciary deciding who should be prosecuted. Judiciary meeting with witnesses to lean on them. A prosecution that says there is no case to answer and wants to drop the charges. It's all Double Dutch. A minor victory for Wilders, but has the prospect of a retrial unless they see sense and drop the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...rial-collapses

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

steiner · 26-10-2010, 13:04

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Originally Posted by mj.scuba

Judiciary deciding who should be prosecuted. Judiciary meeting with witnesses to lean on them. A prosecution that says there is no case to answer and wants to drop the charges. It's all Double Dutch. A minor victory for Wilders, but has the prospect of a retrial unless they see sense and drop the case.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...rial-collapses

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

Since when has free speech been a crime?

spindrift · 26-10-2010, 13:08

When the Racial Discrimination Act was amended in the mid-1990s to include racial vilification, the legislation was controversial and the government had trouble getting it through -- hence, no criminal penalties, and exemptions that you can drive a truck through.

The Act makes it unlawful for a person to "do an act" in public that is likely to "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people" on the basis of their race.

steiner · 26-10-2010, 13:26

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When the Racial Discrimination Act was amended in the mid-1990s to include racial vilification, the legislation was controversial and the government had trouble getting it through -- hence, no criminal penalties, and exemptions that you can drive a truck through.

The Act makes it unlawful for a person to "do an act" in public that is likely to "offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people" on the basis of their race.

Isnt geert wilders jewish,hes hardly going to be a racist is he?besides as far as I can make out he is not defining any race but their religeon.So if I say Islam is a wicked faith does that make me a racist nowadays?

alchresearch · 26-10-2010, 13:27

I realise that "Silver Streak" was an awful film, but to bring Wilders to trial after so long makes no sense.

Smithster · 26-10-2010, 13:44

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Isnt geert wilders jewish,hes hardly going to be a racist is he?

So being Jewish precludes the possibility of racism does it?

mj.scuba · 26-10-2010, 13:53

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I realise that "Silver Streak" was an awful film, but to bring Wilders to trial after so long makes no sense.

Lol especially when they can't do Richard Pryor for it too.

Nagel · 26-10-2010, 13:54

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Isnt geert wilders jewish,hes hardly going to be a racist is he?besides as far as I can make out he is not defining any race but their religeon.So if I say Islam is a wicked faith does that make me a racist nowadays?

It doesn't matter what race you are, you can still be a racist against other races. Witness the race riots in Birmingham between Jamaicans and Pakistanis.

And have you never heard the phase "Zionism is Racism"?

mj.scuba · 23-06-2011, 11:54

Geert Wildes cleared of hate charges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13883331

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"It's not only an acquittal for me, but a victory for freedom of expression in the Netherlands," he said.

CXC3000 · 23-06-2011, 13:55

A vile Islamophobe.

Hope he's found guilty second time around.

nightlight59 · 23-06-2011, 13:57

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Geert Wildes cleared of hate charges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13883331

Thats good news for democracy and free speech.

CXC3000 · 23-06-2011, 14:00

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Thats good news for democracy and free speech.

Not for this guy though :

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rel...apologize.html

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Wilders was in the same boat as him; why has he been let off and Galliano hasn't ?

nightlight59 · 23-06-2011, 14:04

[QUOTE=CXC3000;7796672]Not for this guy though :

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rel...apologize.html

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Wilders was in the same boat as him; why has he been let off and Galliano hasn't ?[/QUOTE]

Isnt wilders jewish?

mj.scuba · 23-06-2011, 15:55

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A vile Islamophobe.

Hope he's found guilty second time around.

It already was the second time around.

mj.scuba · 23-06-2011, 15:56

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Thats good news for democracy and free speech.

I agree, excellent news for the Dutch. It means they can criticise religion without fear of being prosecuted just because the followers of a religion are offended by the critique.

Mecky · 23-06-2011, 16:05

Is it any worse than some of the views expressed by muslims on these forums?

mafya · 23-06-2011, 16:14

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Is it any worse than some of the views expressed by muslims on these forums?

Give some names and examples then.

Magilla · 23-06-2011, 16:38

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Wilders was in the same boat as him; why has he been let off and Galliano hasn't ?

Wilders wasn't in the same boat and did not commit the same offence. There is a massive gulf between the two cases.

CXC3000 · 23-06-2011, 17:03

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Wilders wasn't in the same boat and did not commit the same offence. There is a massive gulf between the two cases.

One was drunk when he said what he did; the other was sobre and knew exactly what he was saying.

Oh, and the latter's a well-known, vile Islamophobe too (did I mention that ?).

Nagel · 23-06-2011, 17:15

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A vile Islamophobe.

What exactly does that phrase mean?

Surely it is legitimate to dislike a religion and express your views, so long as you don't suggest persecuting people for their beliefs.

Isn't it?