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12-09-2010, 09:10
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18th century talk that led to the foundation of the workhouses....do you think it could happen again?
"A new scheme for reducing the laws relating to the poor into one Act of Parliament, and to the better providing the impotent poor with necessaries, the industrious with work, and for the correction of the idle poor" published in 1737 (BP165951), "Observations on the number and misery of the poor, on the heavy rates levied for their maintenance and on the general causes of poverty" published in 1765 (HV/22  |, "A scheme for the better relief and employment of the poor; humbly submitted to the consideration of the Members of both Houses of Parliament" by G. Thomas published in 1765 (HV/321)|, "Proposals for imploying the poor in and about the city of London without any charge to the publick" by Daniel Defoe published in 1713 (HV/644)|, and "Reasons humbly submitted to the honourable members of both Houses of Parliament for introducing a law to prevent unnecessary and vexatious removals of the poor thereby to reduce Parish expenses by letting the poor live where they can best earn their bread" published in 1724 (HV/320)|
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12-09-2010, 09:42
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Originally Posted by strangeart
18th century talk that led to the foundation of the workhouses....do you think it could happen again?
"A new scheme for reducing the laws relating to the poor into one Act of Parliament, and to the better providing the impotent poor with necessaries, the industrious with work, and for the correction of the idle poor" published in 1737 (BP165951), "Observations on the number and misery of the poor, on the heavy rates levied for their maintenance and on the general causes of poverty" published in 1765 (HV/22 |, "A scheme for the better relief and employment of the poor; humbly submitted to the consideration of the Members of both Houses of Parliament" by G. Thomas published in 1765 (HV/321)|, "Proposals for imploying the poor in and about the city of London without any charge to the publick" by Daniel Defoe published in 1713 (HV/644)|, and "Reasons humbly submitted to the honourable members of both Houses of Parliament for introducing a law to prevent unnecessary and vexatious removals of the poor thereby to reduce Parish expenses by letting the poor live where they can best earn their bread" published in 1724 (HV/320)| |
Some of the "idle" poor would certainly benefit!
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12-09-2010, 10:37
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I doubt it. It didn't prove effective unless you consider killing off many of the poor through neglect. The idea was that they made the place so bad that people would do anything to avoid it. Unfortunately that meant that that the utterly desperate were already weak by the time they went to the workhouse and the workhouse finished them off. It didn't stop the idle poor being idle as the reason they were idle was that there was no work to do. In Sheffield the workhouse was a problem as people entering the workhouse because of a downturn in trade were then in no fit state to take work when trade turned up.
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12-09-2010, 11:07
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18th century workhouses....do you think it could happen again?
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No - it would make matters worse.
A Workhouse would have to compete with businesses that have managed to survive
and that competition could only be subsidised and unfair.
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12-09-2010, 14:38
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No, too many laws would either have to changed in Parliament or dropped entirely.
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12-09-2010, 14:42
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Originally Posted by mossdog
Some of the "idle" poor would certainly benefit!
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Don't you mean the hardly working families?
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13-09-2010, 05:40
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Some of the "idle" poor would certainly benefit!
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Bloody little people. It is extremely foolish to say that idle people, yes, there are some, are poor.
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13-09-2010, 05:48
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It's foolish to claim that anybody is poor, in this country. A short trip so Burkina Faso, or some similar place, would soon disabuse us of that notion.
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13-09-2010, 11:06
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Originally Posted by HeadingNorth
It's foolish to claim that anybody is poor, in this country. A short trip so Burkina Faso, or some similar place, would soon disabuse us of that notion.
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Can't afford the fare pal! 
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