[CatznRatz]

I have seen stickers on buses about giving up the space for a wheelchair user,the one which identifies the wheelchair and buggy zone and the one that says pushchairs can use space if not used by wheelchairs,and the ones about offering seats to disabled people.

I must have missed the ones about prams coming before the elderly/disabled.Could someone tell me where they are?

[dink]

Originally Posted by CatznRatz

I have seen stickers on buses about giving up the space for a wheelchair user,the one which identifies the wheelchair and buggy zone and the one that says pushchairs can use space if not used by wheelchairs,and the ones about offering seats to disabled people.

I must have missed the ones about prams coming before the elderly/disabled.Could someone tell me where they are?

They dont exsist its just people assume that they do, having you buggy on a bus is a privilege not a right!

[honeyb35]

Originally Posted by dink

A driver doesnt have to let you on the just because he doesnt have any prams on, he may have had reasons as to why he refused you, your safety or the safety of his passengers may have been a factor in his decisons.

The only person a bus driver can't refuse travel to without good reason (which then results in alot of paper work) is a Wheelchair user.

I was once refused entry on a bus with my son who is disabled. He wasn't in a wheelchair as he was too young, just an ordinary pram. However the driver wouldn't accept that the 18month old in there couldn't stand up, or even sit unaided, and as such, I was unable to hold him and fold the pram at the same time. His response was that 'he didnt LOOK disabled'.
I wish I'd taken it further now, not sure how he was supposed to look!

[NERVY-OWL]

Originally Posted by honeyb35

I was once refused entry on a bus with my son who is disabled. He wasn't in a wheelchair as he was too young, just an ordinary pram. However the driver wouldn't accept that the 18month old in there couldn't stand up, or even sit unaided, and as such, I was unable to hold him and fold the pram at the same time. His response was that 'he didnt LOOK disabled'.
I wish I'd taken it further now, not sure how he was supposed to look!

i guess the bus was full when he refused you though. if the bus is full then it's not even guaranteed you'd get a wheelchair on anyway, although his response wasn't the smartest of things to say

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by david82

i guess the bus was full when he refused you though. if the bus is full then it's not even guaranteed you'd get a wheelchair on anyway, although his response wasn't the smartest of things to say

It might have been wiser to point out that the law refers specifically to wheelchair users. My wife is disabled, but has no priority over anybody else when it comes to getting a place on a bus. Nor, I imagine, does an 18-month-old who can sit, or be held, on a parent's knee.


Even a wheelchair user is not guaranteed a space on a bus; there might already be a wheelchair user on it, and most buses, if they can carry a wheelchair at all, can only carry one.

[pinkgirl]

When I had my first son 1988 and 2nd son 1990 the buggies weren't as small
as today, with the youngest in a sling and toddler on rains along with
buggy I still managed to fold it up and get on the 'old' style buses, think
nowdays everything is too easy sometimes

[Vague_Boy]

Originally Posted by DeathAxe

It is a pram NOT a tank or snow plow.

I call 'em "people shovellers". That seems to be their primary function.

And oh joy, another bus thread.

[bobgirlsnake]

Originally Posted by destinyblu

i would have put my pram down i dont mind doing that once the bus gets to the stop as taking my child out who is 2 in town to me is dangerous as she tends to run off if i let go of her for a few seconds and the bus driver didnt give me chance!!

i dont have alot of problems with bus services if you are talking about the other post i have made about school children on trams it was the attitude more than me having a problem ...

I dont mean to sound harsh but i think you need to think about parenting abit more rather than having a go at bus drivers. i went to town with my then 2yr old (who can be a pain at times) and my then 4yr old. i managed just fine on my own to fold a pushchair before the bus came. its just a case of teaching them its wrong to run off.

[pennangton]

Originally Posted by destinyblu

after shopping in town with the pram went to get the bus home waited about 20 mins for the bus that is suppose to be every 8 mins.
when the bus finally arrived at about 3.35 the bus was full of school kids (14 or 15 years old) sat where i would park the pram but the bus was not full (tho two or three people where stood up), but no prams on the bus. about 5 or so people got on the bus before me as i lifted the pram up to get on the bus driver said sorry no room, i said but there are no prams on he said you cant expect people to move so you can get that on ( my pram is called a micro for a reason BECAUSE it is tiny!!)

i just wonderd if any one else had been treated like this ??

Write to the star, I can see the headline now "Bus driver wouldn't let me on as to BUSy" and you stood there with an unhappy face, pram and loads of shopping....

[dieselbabe]

Originally Posted by pinkgirl

When I had my first son 1988 and 2nd son 1990 the buggies weren't as small
as today, with the youngest in a sling and toddler on rains along with
buggy I still managed to fold it up and get on the 'old' style buses, think
nowdays everything is too easy sometimes

I agree with you pinkgirl. I had my daughter in 1995, her pram was not these smaller type prams you get now. I use to struggle with bags and a pram and a baby but i managed it some how. What gets my goat up about some parents and i have seen it loads of times, they moan when they have to wait for another bus to get on with a pram has its too full, then get on the bus with the pram then let the child you clearly can see can walk and sit up on it's own, let the child out of the pram then sit them on their knee or the seat at the side of them, and the parent does not put the pram down so other pram users with younger baby's can not get on the bus.

[Mecky]

Originally Posted by lolypop

Thats disgusting!! What if you needed to go somewhere by a certain time!! I would have gone mad!! Bus drivers are rude in my opinion! I rarley get them as i drive alot but i when i do they just seem like they dont wanna be there or cant be arsed!! Obvious not all im sure some are nice but iv experinced bad ones!!

Jesus. Is it fair that you can't get on a bus to travel 5 miles when the person before you fills the bus and you know for a fact that they are only travelling two stops?

You wonder why we make a fuss
If George decides to take a bus
but look again and you will see
that George aint all that George should be.
He's only got a step to go
a couple hundred yards or so
while others further down the queue
have far to go and lots to do.
When George gets on we often find
that other folk get left behind.
He pays his fare and rides the stage
and off he hops and see the rage
and seeing this gives George a jog
'Perhaps I'm Just a Transport Hog'

[dink]

Originally Posted by dieselbabe

I agree with you pinkgirl. I had my daughter in 1995, her pram was not these smaller type prams you get now. I use to struggle with bags and a pram and a baby but i managed it some how. What gets my goat up about some parents and i have seen it loads of times, they moan when they have to wait for another bus to get on with a pram has its too full, then get on the bus with the pram then let the child you clearly can see can walk and sit up on it's own, let the child out of the pram then sit them on their knee or the seat at the side of them, and the parent does not put the pram down so other pram users with younger baby's can not get on the bus.

I saw on my bus the other day, a lady get on with a three wheel larger type pram, parked it in the bay with allher bags in it and sat down near the back with her small child!

It was lucky no one actually wanted to get on with a pram, as i would have asked her to fold it down since as she didnt actually need it to carry the child, just the mound of shopping she had.

[katy1981]

before i got my car and had to use the buses i never used them at peak times as they were always too full for me get on with the pram. this was mainly out of choice though as ive done it once and someone has nearly fallen on the pram when my child was a few weeks old. and i did it once when she was older and i folded the pram up and stood with her as their was no seats this was bad judgement on my part and i got off a couple of stops later and waited for the next bus.

the only problem i have with prams on buses is when people sit in the buggy zone and then look at you with a gormless expression on their face while you wait for them to move and then when you say excuse me can you move to the next seat please they then mumble and grumble stuff under their breath.

i have never expected to be able to use my unfolded pram on a bus i have always folded it up when ive needed too without a grumble.

[EmilyM]

Maybe the driver couldn't be bothered to wait for you to fold the pram up.
My advice would be to buy some child reins; my friend's little son hated the normal reins, so she got him a little backpack with built-in reins, which he seemed to tolerate.
Also I would get the pram folded up ready whilst you are waiting for the bus, this will make bus drivers more likely to accept you on.

[FallenAngel6]

Ok honestly i understand how it feels to not get on a bus but in my experience its never the bus drivers fault...

I stood waiting for three buses as there was a que... my daughters only one so cant walk yet and just as the bus turned up that i should have been able to get on a frigging stupid chav with her four year old daughter in a pram shoved my pram aside with hers and got on the bus...i was FUMING

and im always seeing kids that can easily walk on the bus or walk around full stop using the pram bays stopping the mothers with young children getting on.

[linus]

What do you expect at 3.35? That's one of the busiest times for buses, presumably you don't have a job, so why not get a bus at a non peak time?

[Shef_Fitness]

Whenever I use a bus, Its always an unpleasant experience. I also can't believe the amount of people who get on a bus, who travel one or two stops and then get off (it probably takes longer to wait for a bus than to walk 100 meters).

Whenever I have been on a crowded bus, the people who stand up do not move down the bus to the back, so its crowded at the front. The Bus Drivers often do shout "can everyone move down the bus please?" however this often completely baffles bus passengers who look at each other with puzzled expressions.

I know when I was a child bus ettiquette made the bus journey more plesant (ie the disabled sat in the disabled seats - rather than a chav, old people got a seat as people gave up their seats), I also think buses were also better designed to deal with large numbers of passengers.

For what its worth, if you can drive I'd rather get around in a L reg £50 fiat panda than use a bus. Its not only cheaper but more pleasant

[DeathAxe]

Originally Posted by katy1981

before i got my car and had to use the buses i never used them at peak times as they were always too full for me get on with the pram. this was mainly out of choice though as ive done it once and someone has nearly fallen on the pram when my child was a few weeks old. and i did it once when she was older and i folded the pram up and stood with her as their was no seats this was bad judgement on my part and i got off a couple of stops later and waited for the next bus.

the only problem i have with prams on buses is when people sit in the buggy zone and then look at you with a gormless expression on their face while you wait for them to move and then when you say excuse me can you move to the next seat please they then mumble and grumble stuff under their breath.

i have never expected to be able to use my unfolded pram on a bus i have always folded it up when ive needed too without a grumble.

Actually you are not in your right to ask them to move. Yes you can use the space for your pram, but you can only ask people to move from those SEATS if you are disabled.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Plain Talker]

Originally Posted by getting_fit

Whenever I use a bus, Its always an unpleasant experience. I also can't believe the amount of people who get on a bus, who travel one or two stops and then get off (it probably takes longer to wait for a bus than to walk 100 meters).

Can you posibly try to believe the number of elderly or disabled who might not actually be able to walk that two, three or four stops?

Originally Posted by getting_fit

For what its worth, if you can drive I'd rather get around in a L reg £50 fiat panda than use a bus. Its not only cheaper but more pleasant

Is there something stopping you laying out £50 and buying yourself that L-reg Fiat Panda?

[dink]

Originally Posted by Plain Talker

Can you posibly try to believe the number of elderly or disabled who might not actually be able to walk that two, three or four stops?




Is there something stopping you laying out £50 and buying yourself that L-reg Fiat Panda?

sounds brilliant doesnt it £50 to be able to never catch a bus again!

its 'cheaper' than catching a bus people say, i can't see how it is when all the costs are put together.