[Skippy06]

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

Not on his own, his rich banker friends and family helped.



Please see above.

And to the OP, if you do happen to pass by Lydgate, watch the BACK DOOR.

Sums it up I think.

He may not have created to problem but I am sure his kids will be fine in their nice school buildings whilst some of the kids in this country have to be educated in places that should have been closed down years ago.

I think the banking sector created quite a lot of the mess we are in not just in this country but world wide. Why should public sector workers be made to pay for their mess.

When all the public sector workers are out of work the private sector will be running scared - why pay private sector workers when you have ex public sector bods willing to do it for a lot less (compare the normal public/private sector wage) - also for people who have never claimed or had to use public sector services like job centres/tax credits etc lets see what happens when your dealing with call centres in India because the current work load has doubled, no qualified staff, and the company submitting the cheapest tender won the bid.

I think a lot of people are sat in ivory towers thinking these cuts will not effect them but one day everyone will be paying - making so many people unemployed when we are just coming out of recession is only going to create a bigger problem.

[Skippy06]

Originally Posted by Paul2412

Some bizarre comments on this post.

Why are people blaming Nick Clegg for the mess that the previous government created?
Why are people blaming Nick Clegg for forming a coalition? Otherwise, Labour would still be in power and we'd be getting further into the mess.

Oh yeah, because apparently its the "in" thing to do now isn't it?

I think it has something to do with him selling out for a few seats and a fancy deputy title - could be he likes the limelight and sitting next to David Cameron was the only way he would ever get the chance do to so.

[taxman]

Originally Posted by Dogs Of War

Me too my friend , but some Labouries can`t see that their beloved NUlabour created this mess ,a mess which the coalition are now having to deal with.

If people want to foam at the mouth and rant ,perhaps they should aim it at the people responsible for this massive deficit - LABOUR.

It isn't Labour who've just announced a scrapping of the school building programme

[ChrisT70]

Originally Posted by Skippy06

Sums it up I think.

He may not have created to problem but I am sure his kids will be fine in their nice school buildings whilst some of the kids in this country have to be educated in places that should have been closed down years ago.

I think the banking sector created quite a lot of the mess we are in not just in this country but world wide. Why should public sector workers be made to pay for their mess.

When all the public sector workers are out of work the private sector will be running scared - why pay private sector workers when you have ex public sector bods willing to do it for a lot less (compare the normal public/private sector wage) - also for people who have never claimed or had to use public sector services like job centres/tax credits etc lets see what happens when your dealing with call centres in India because the current work load has doubled, no qualified staff, and the company submitting the cheapest tender won the bid.

I think a lot of people are sat in ivory towers thinking these cuts will not effect them but one day everyone will be paying - making so many people unemployed when we are just coming out of recession is only going to create a bigger problem.

well said.
the annoying thing for me is the ongoing attack on public sector pensions. for years people put up with poor pay rises in comparison with the private sector, knowing that at least their pension was stable and made up (a little) for the poorer pay rises each year.
now its down to the "gold plated" pensions that the country is in a mess if you believe the tory papers and nick clegg.
reforms should be made of course to ensure its affordable, but for someone in the NHS earning say average pay of £20k p.a they will have to be in the scheme for the full 40 years and contribute all the time to get a maximum pension of £10k pa when they retire at 65. most porters/domestics etc would get a maximum pension of about £6k pa.

thats hardly the cause of the current state of the economy.

pay freezes for 2 yrs is fine, people can take that as a pay cut, but mp's talking about hammering these "(non) gold plated" pensions while taking home over £150k pa themselves along with probably a £50k+ p.a pension stinks.

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by taxman

It isn't Labour who've just announced a scrapping of the school building programme

No, indeed; you've highlighted a fine example of the new Government having to take painful decisions because of the hideous profligacy of the old one spending money it did not have.

[hitch_1980]

Originally Posted by taxman

It isn't Labour who've just announced a scrapping of the school building programme

Ive just read that this programme would have costed 55bn (just under a 3rd of our debt). It also says

"Some 706 new school buildings and services that already have contracts signed will go ahead, but 715 more will be scrapped.

Gove told the Commons that the scheme had been hit by "massive overspends, tragic delays, botched construction projects and needless bureaucracy".

He said: "There are some councils which entered the process six years ago which have only just started building new schools. Another project starting this year is three years behind schedule."

Does this sound like a well thought out labour scheme to you?

[sibon]

Originally Posted by hitch_1980

Ive just read that this programme would have costed 55bn. It also says

"Some 706 new school buildings and services that already have contracts signed will go ahead, but 715 more will be scrapped.

Gove told the Commons that the scheme had been hit by "massive overspends, tragic delays, botched construction projects and needless bureaucracy".

He said: "There are some councils which entered the process six years ago which have only just started building new schools. Another project starting this year is three years behind schedule."

Does this sound like a well thought out labour scheme to you?

It is a really important scheme, which is vital for our future economic success. It could be administered better, I agree, but the condition of a lot of our school buildings should be considered a national shame. Add to that the fact that it supplies much needed manual employment. I really do think that the coalition could have looked elsewhere for savings.

On the up side. Sheffield has come out of the review unscathed.

[hitch_1980]

Originally Posted by sibon

It is a really important scheme, which is vital for our future economic success. It could be administered better, I agree, but the condition of a lot of our school buildings should be considered a national shame. Add to that the fact that it supplies much needed manual employment. I really do think that the coalition could have looked elsewhere for savings.

On the up side. Sheffield has come out of the review unscathed.

Only half have been cut, so thats still 706 new builds. The rest can still be looked at and properly organised.....but not just yet, do it once the finances are sorted. Its better to say no now, rather than say "put on hold" as councils will better understand, where they stand.

[slimsid2000]

will he open Stannington Carnival this Saturday?

[hitch_1980]

Originally Posted by sibon

It is a really important scheme, which is vital for our future economic success. It could be administered better, I agree, but the condition of a lot of our school buildings should be considered a national shame. Add to that the fact that it supplies much needed manual employment. I really do think that the coalition could have looked elsewhere for savings.

On the up side. Sheffield has come out of the review unscathed.

I do have a query regarding the bold higlighted text......labour had 13 years....at what point did they implement the schools scheme?

[sibon]

Originally Posted by hitch_1980

I do have a query regarding the bold higlighted text......labour had 13 years....at what point did they implement the schools scheme?

They have been rebuilding schools on a rolling programme since 1997. You probably have to credit the Major government with getting the ball rolling (they had to get something right). When the dust settles, Labour's education reforms and school rebuilding programme will be seen as a major achievement.

[GrannyGranny]

The whole programme has been cancelled. Those schools for which the contracts have already been signed will go ahead but the remaining will not including Notre Dame.
There are local companies and local tradesmen who rely on the BSF programme including the company I work for. We have an office of about 150 in Sheffield of which I would estimate 40-50 are working on the BSF programme plus some employed in other offices around the country. So Sheffield will be affected.

[sibon]

Originally Posted by hitch_1980

Only half have been cut, so thats still 706 new builds. The rest can still be looked at and properly organised.....but not just yet, do it once the finances are sorted. Its better to say no now, rather than say "put on hold" as councils will better understand, where they stand.

That isn't true.

Some have been approved. Some placed on hold. Lots have been cancelled.

You always know where you are with a Tory government.

[sibon]

Originally Posted by GrannyGranny

The whole programme has been cancelled. Those schools for which the contracts have already been signed will go ahead but the remaining will not including Notre Dame.
There are local companies and local tradesmen who rely on the BSF programme including the company I work for. We have an office of about 150 in Sheffield of which I would estimate 40-50 are working on the BSF programme plus some employed in other offices around the country. So Sheffield will be affected.

Not according to this list. Notre Dame goes ahead with all of the other Sheffield Schools.

Looks like the coalition need a proper director of communications. Does anybody know one?

[espadrille]

I am really glad that many of Sheffield schools will be unaffected.

[Skippy06]

Originally Posted by sibon

It is a really important scheme, which is vital for our future economic success. It could be administered better, I agree, but the condition of a lot of our school buildings should be considered a national shame. Add to that the fact that it supplies much needed manual employment. I really do think that the coalition could have looked elsewhere for savings.

On the up side. Sheffield has come out of the review unscathed.

I believe that maybe Mr Clegg would have been in a position to start loosing voters in his Hallam constituency had he shafted both the Forge Master and Sheffield Schools.

[hitch_1980]

Originally Posted by sibon

That isn't true.

Some have been approved. Some placed on hold. Lots have been cancelled.

You always know where you are with a Tory government.

Ummmm

This article says " Some 706 new school buildings and services that already have contracts signed will go ahead, but 715 more will be scrapped."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...me-budget-cuts

[hitch_1980]

Originally Posted by sibon

Not according to this list. Notre Dame goes ahead with all of the other Sheffield Schools.

Looks like the coalition need a proper director of communications. Does anybody know one?

Or maybe GrannyGranny was wrong in the first place, which is not the giverments fault.........

[hitch_1980]

How do you delete a post?

[sibon]

Originally Posted by hitch_1980

Ummmm

This article says " Some 706 new school buildings and services that already have contracts signed will go ahead, but 715 more will be scrapped."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...me-budget-cuts

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I meant to say that quite a few have been cancelled completely. You suggested that the ones not being built would be reviewed. That is the bit that isn't necessarily true.

I've posted the full list up there ^^^ if you are interested.