Disturbing story - does she deserve jail?

goose · 16-09-2005, 11:50

From the Guardian today: -

A childminder who crayoned the word "******" on the forehead of a two-year-old girl in her care narrowly escaped jail yesterday after a judge accepted pleas that she was "ignorant rather than evil".

Fay Stockley, 57, was told by the recorder of Derby that she had done a "wicked thing" which most people would consider deserved a prison sentence. But he suspended a six-month term for a year on the grounds that she had not understood the nastiness of what she had done".

Read the full story here:

http://society.guardian.co.uk/childr...74,1571393,00.

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 11:56

Think that one is best left to the judge who knows all the facts of the case.

JonJParr · 16-09-2005, 11:57

I don't think it could have been done without malicious intent. Therefore I think she should have received something harsher than just a suspended sentence. As for whether it should have been a jail term however, I'm still unsure.

cgksheff · 16-09-2005, 11:57

Earlier thread on this here:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...threadid=59763

... and the link doesn't work!

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:00

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Originally posted by cgksheff
Earlier thread on this here:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/show...threadid=59763

... and the link doesn't work!

Apologies - although this is a poll.

Personally i think she should have recieved a jail term for the action. Even if it was just 28 days, there is quite simply no excuse.

neeeeeeeeeek · 16-09-2005, 12:01

Look at her though. You just know that she won't learn anything from what ever happens to her. Have her put down, do us all a favour!

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:04

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Originally posted by neeeeeeeeeek
Look at her though. You just know that she won't learn anything from what ever happens to her. Have her put down, do us all a favour!

I agree.

I for one am totally in favour of a tolerant society, i think anyone who is found not to be tolerant should be put in front of a wall and shot.

JoeP · 16-09-2005, 12:04

A major issue here has to be what she was doing in that sort of job?

I don't believe jail would help her reform - a more appropriate punishment would be appropriate community service, with jail as a punishment for her if she didn't show.

Joe

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 12:05

Don't judge others until you know the whole story...which you never will. You can not pass a sentence when you know very few facts of the matter. I somehow feel that the judge's decisions was more qualified that those that you make.

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 12:07

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Originally posted by goose
I agree.

I for one am totally in favour of a tolerant society, i think anyone who is found not to be tolerant should be put in front of a wall and shot.

Is this an example of YOU being tolerant? Me thinks that your own firing squad would pull the trigger on you in this instance. Tolerance applies to all society in all circumstances. It does not mean we can demonstrate INTOLERANCE at someone else's actions. Think about it.

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:07

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Originally posted by Babooshka
Don't judge others until you know the whole story...which you never will. You can not pass a sentence when you know very few facts of the matter. I somehow feel that the judge's decisions was more qualified that those that you make.

Read the full story

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:08

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Originally posted by Babooshka
Is this an example of YOU being tolerant? Me thinks that your own firing squad would pull the trigger on you in this instance. Tolerance applies to all society in all circumstances. It does not mean we can demonstrate INTOLERANCE at someone else's actions. Think about it.

Sense of humor by-pass, it was supposed to be a joke!

Theres always one

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 12:09

We have judges, jurors, court cases for a reason. Rulings in court are not based on a newspaper report.

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:14

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Originally posted by Babooshka
We have judges, jurors, court cases for a reason. Rulings in court are not based on a newspaper report.

True, but we are still entitled to an opinion. Given that this is from the lefty Guardian i think that we can read between the lines and draw our own conclusions about the case.

Anyway judges and jurors are not always right, just ask OJ Simpson.

RazorSHarp · 16-09-2005, 12:19

How stupid does she think people are? I don't think the spelling mistake she refers to (a N for a T) is a ligitamte excuse, then to change her story to it being a "little bit of fun" and an "in joke", she was trusted by this childs parents to protect her and keep her safe.

This trust has been misplaced and as such she should be made an example of. Absolutely disgusted that a grown adult can be so juvenile and irresponsible with such a precious thing as a child!!

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 12:20

Well, in law they ARE always right. The decisions made in law are legally right, no matter what decision they have made. What you mean is that you may not agree with their decision.

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:22

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Originally posted by Babooshka
Well, in law they ARE always right. The decisions made in law are legally right, no matter what decision they have made. What you mean is that you may not agree with their decision.

If they ARE always right then why do we bother with appeals?

littleboo · 16-09-2005, 12:23

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Originally posted by JoeP
A major issue here has to be what she was doing in that sort of job?

I don't believe jail would help her reform - a more appropriate punishment would be appropriate community service, with jail as a punishment for her if she didn't show.

Joe

she was not a registered childminder. therefore illegal. I wouldn't leave my kids in the hands of someone who wasn't registered, who had had no training unless they were family, ie my mum. would you??

I haven't voted for this very reason, if she was registered I would say that she does deserve a jail sentence, however I think that the people who left there kids with her should learn a lesson from this too.
I do believe that she should go to jail for not being registered, especially if the parents thought that she was!

Babooshka · 16-09-2005, 12:25

Simply because the person on trial disagrees with the sentence passed. No matter what a jury etc decides, or whenever it decides, be it in a first hearing or an appeal. Their decision is always right. If an appeal is successful then THAT decision is right too. No matter what or when a judge makes a decision, it is always right...by law. eg if you stabbed me and you were found not guilty of the crime, then that would be right. Do you see what I mean?

PS ..if you are a goose, why have you got that cute little frog thing going on?

goose · 16-09-2005, 12:30

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Originally posted by Babooshka
Simply because the person on trial disagrees with the sentence passed. No matter what a jury etc decides, or whenever it decides, be it in a first hearing or an appeal. Their decision is always right. If an appeal is successful then THAT decision is right too. No matter what or when a judge makes a decision, it is always right...by law. eg if you stabbed me and you were found not guilty of the crime, then that would be right. Do you see what I mean?

I know what your getting at but if a decision is overturned on appeal then the original decision is wrong - i believe. Lets agree to disagree

Quote:

Originally posted by Babooshka
PS ..if you are a goose, why have you got that cute little frog thing going on?

eh?