[Tony]

I don't begrudge anyone the best that they can do for themselves but can UK PLC afford to be paying stand-in doctors £70-£75 ph plus agency fees?

http://www.medichunter.co.uk/medical...0-75ph_job7414

GP locum jobs in Sheffield. £70-75ph.
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Hays Healthcare requires an experienced GP locum for General Practice in Sheffield .

GP Locum .
May.
£70-75 per hour + Hays benefits.
Sheffield .

Our client is looking for a highly capable GP locum who has experience of working with EMIS .

The successful GP locum will be expected to cover the following sessions:
- 24th May, AM & PM
- 25th May, AM & PM.
- All sessions are 3 hours duration.
- May include visits.

Your consultant will work with you to find you the GP locum job that you want. We’ll keep you updated during the compliance process so we have a job lined up for you as soon as you are ready for work.

We have offices across the UK so wherever you’re based you will be dealing with an expert who knows your local area.

Whilst working on a GP locum job through Hays Healthcare, you will receive a range of benefits including:
- Dedicated & accessible consultant
- £500 Loyalty Bonus
- £250 Referral bonus
- FREE CPD training
- FREE CRB

Incidentally, this is the going rate, not an exception. GP's earn around £150k

[Daven]

Can they afford not to?
Sounds reasonable to me.

[Forumosaurus]

They work hard to get where they are, if GPs didn't get this sort of wage why would anybody bother studying this extremely difficult and expensive Doctorate?

Yeah it's a lot of money but for the effort they put in, they deserve it.

[MAMALOCHA!]

Originally Posted by richyhello

They work hard to get where they are, if GPs didn't get this sort of wage why would anybody bother studying this extremely difficult and expensive Doctorate?

Yeah it's a lot of money but for the effort they put in, they deserve it.

going rate i agree

[ukstudent]

Do you realise how much it costs to train as a GP?

[Twiglet]

Originally Posted by richyhello

They work hard to get where they are, if GPs didn't get this sort of wage why would anybody bother studying this extremely difficult and expensive Doctorate?

Yeah it's a lot of money but for the effort they put in, they deserve it.

They don't have a doctorate they have two bachelor's degrees. People with doctorate's earn 75% less after doing training that cost three times as much.

I ended up seeing a locum recently. She was unaware of our local referral guidelines and decided to fob me off instead of looking into it - as I only found out after making another appointment with my normal GP. It was a waste of both our time. I'd rather have waited.

[Darth Vader]

Good luck to them. But why are teachers paid so low in comparison? Eg a languages teacher would have done a 4year BA including a compulsory year abroad, and then done a year PGCE? Similar working hours, higher stress levels....

[chem1st]

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

Good luck to them. But why are teachers paid so low in comparison? Eg a languages teacher would have done a 4year BA including a compulsory year abroad, and then done a year PGCE? Similar working hours, higher stress levels....

Languages are easy to learn and mistakes don't affect/end peoples lives.

[Darth Vader]

Originally Posted by chem1st

Languages are easy to learn and mistakes don't affect/end peoples lives.

That statement is ridiculous. How many language degrees have you studied then?

And if it depends on whether mistakes affect peoples lives then ambulance technicians should be on the same money then.

[Tony]

As should structural engineers.

My original question was whether UK PLC can afford such huge payments to public servants, not whether they deserve it. Thoughts?

[chem1st]

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

That statement is ridiculous. How many language degrees have you studied then?

And if it depends on whether mistakes affect peoples lives then ambulance technicians should be on the same money then.

None, but I can translate about 30 languages to perfection using my mobile by ringing friends.

I have family who have done language degrees, nowt special, and it hasn't paid off for them.

I know some Eastern Europeans who work in factories for NMW and some speak up to 6 languages. They would gladly teach languages for £10ph.

It's handy to know another language, but it is hardly specialised knowledge.

Specialised knowledge + language is what you want, the extra language just to gain the edge over your counterparts with only specialised knowledge.

[Darth Vader]

Originally Posted by chem1st

None, but I can translate about 30 languages to perfection using my mobile by ringing friends.

I have family who have done language degrees, nowt special, and it hasn't paid off for them.

I know some Eastern Europeans who work in factories for NMW and some speak up to 6 languages. They would gladly teach languages for £10ph.

It's handy to know another language, but it is hardly specialised knowledge.

Specialised knowledge + language is what you want, the extra language just to gain the edge over your counterparts with only specialised knowledge.

Sorry, but that is absolute garbage. I will bet you that ANY foreign language graduate will know tons more about their studied language than you know about your own.
And the money reference, only serves to weaken your argument, as there are Doctors in less developed countries who work for far less than 10 pounds per hour.

In fact, the very countries you refer to, supply is with a large proportion of our Doctors on call at weekends, and it pays for them to fly over for the weekend!

There was a bit of a stink though when a couple of patients died, due to the language barrier - but languages aren't life and death, are they?

[Daven]

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

Good luck to them. But why are teachers paid so low in comparison? Eg a languages teacher would have done a 4year BA including a compulsory year abroad, and then done a year PGCE? Similar working hours, higher stress levels....

How can teaching languages compare to being a doctor? Similar working hours and higher stress levels!!! I doubt there are many language teachers that work 60 hour weeks on the wards (many of those hours may be during the night) and carry the responsibilty of many peoples lives in their hands every second of those 60 hours! Having to make snap decisions every day that could result in someone living or dying............... There is absolutely no comparison!

[Daven]

Originally Posted by Darth Vader

That statement is ridiculous. How many language degrees have you studied then?

And if it depends on whether mistakes affect peoples lives then ambulance technicians should be on the same money then.

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[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Tony

As should structural engineers.

My original question was whether UK PLC can afford such huge payments to public servants, not whether they deserve it. Thoughts?

It would damage the consumer economy to cut back on wages, we can't afford not to pay people decent wages.

[masa]

After studying medicine for 5 years, do few years in training, most of the doctors spend 5-8 years in this sae and doing all sort of shifts, then become a GP. Continuously sudy for live to keep up to date.. etc. The end result is the 70ph.
I wonder if some one in any sort of business and working that hard for 13+ years, will he/she be happy with this?

[Longcol]

Originally Posted by Tony

My original question was whether UK PLC can afford such huge payments to public servants, not whether they deserve it. Thoughts?

Not worked in the NHS for some years now but back in the day a fair few locums - whether GP's or Consultants - were people in private practice.