[Alastair]

Originally Posted by auto98uk

Apparently, you shouldn't wash this type of ash off your car, as there is a chance it may scratch your paintwork.

Yes, you should lick it off with your tongue.

[purdyamos]

Originally Posted by f0rd

You do realise this probabbly isn't all over? By the looks of it Katla is ready to go, and I've just looked at the seismographs for Katla and harmonic tremors have been building for the last three days, suddenly there has been a drop off just like the eruption at Eyjafjallajokul, but this could just be coincidence.

Can I just mention how much I love the fact that the news crews refer to the other volcano as Katla, but when it comes to Eyjafjallajokull they say... 'the volcano'.

[llamatron]

I like the way they seem to cave spectacularly due to pressure from the media and BA. What a great reason to allow flights. There was a tiny story in the metro yesterday saying that two fighter jets had been damaged due to ash. They found bits of glass in the engines which will now require extensive work to fix.

what happened to the fact that they can't tell where the ash is concentrated? It may well be perfectly safe I have no idea but I can't believe how many big decisions ignore the experts and get decided based on public/media pressure ie laymen with absolutely no knowledge.

Glad Im not flying!

[Rioja]

Originally Posted by llamatron

I like the way they seem to cave spectacularly due to pressure from the media and BA. What a great reason to allow flights. There was a tiny story in the metro yesterday saying that two fighter jets had been damaged due to ash. They found bits of glass in the engines which will now require extensive work to fix.

what happened to the fact that they can't tell where the ash is concentrated? It may well be perfectly safe I have no idea but I can't believe how many big decisions ignore the experts and get decided based on public/media pressure ie laymen with absolutely no knowledge.

Glad Im not flying!

Just wait for the screams and finger pointing and responsibility shifting if there is an accident in the next few days.

[llamatron]

Originally Posted by purdyamos

Can I just mention how much I love the fact that the news crews refer to the other volcano as Katla, but when it comes to Eyjafjallajokull they say... 'the volcano'.

I would guess, iyafyallayokull? not that hard, although maybe I wouldn't want to say it live.

[andyrad29]

was it just co-incidence that air space opens up straight after a meeting with airline bosses?

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by andyrad29

was it just co-incidence that air space opens up straight after a meeting with airline bosses?

No, that's simple common sense. If you're intending to open air space, you tell the airline bosses first, so that they can start making plans.

[JFKvsNixon]

Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

No, that's simple common sense. If you're intending to open air space, you tell the airline bosses first, so that they can start making plans.

The planes were stacked on the west coast of Ireland when the meeting was taking place, what other plans did the airline bosses need to take, they already seemed to be running everything!

[Plain Talker]

Originally Posted by llamatron

I would guess, iyafyallayokull? not that hard, although maybe I wouldn't want to say it live.

yes, it's like that yogurt...

Are ya full of yakult ,,,,,,,, hehehehe

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by JFKvsNixon

The planes were stacked on the west coast of Ireland when the meeting was taking place, what other plans did the airline bosses need to take, they already seemed to be running everything!

If the airline bosses were running everything, air space would never have been closed and they would not have lost upwards of a billon pounds between them. That alone proves the "airlines make the decision" argument to be completely silly.

[Cynic]

It does seem a little strange that a number of aircraft were in a holding pattern waiting to land seemingly while the meeting was happening, or before the decision was made at least. I can't imagine BA really used this to force their hand though.

[Paul2412]

Originally Posted by Cynic

It does seem a little strange that a number of aircraft were in a holding pattern waiting to land seemingly while the meeting was happening, or before the decision was made at least. I can't imagine BA really used this to force their hand though.

If one of those planes crashed, or even had to make an emergency landing then I can imagine that Willie Walsh would be facing a long prison sentence now and BA would probably be grounded.

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by Cynic

It does seem a little strange that a number of aircraft were in a holding pattern waiting to land seemingly while the meeting was happening, or before the decision was made at least. I can't imagine BA really used this to force their hand though.

There was always the option to land at Shannon or a European airport. More convenient for the passengers to hang around to see if Heathrow and Gatwick would open if they had enough fuel to safely do so.

I believe one flight from Vancouver was 'stacked' over Shannon for two hours before being cleared to land at Heathrow.

[splodgeyAl]

Originally Posted by Paul2412

If one of those planes crashed, or even had to make an emergency landing then I can imagine that Willie Walsh would be facing a long prison sentence now and BA would probably be grounded.

The imagination is a powerful thing! Have a look here to see how likely it is for a company director to be jailed for a decision that results in death...

http://www.corporateaccountability.o...ghter/main.htm

[Paul2412]

Originally Posted by splodgeyAl

The imagination is a powerful thing! Have a look here to see how likely it is for a company director to be jailed for a decision that results in death...

http://www.corporateaccountability.o...ghter/main.htm

I can't believe how the director of a company who makes the decision to fly into closed, dangerous airspace which resulted in the loss of 200 lives would not be prosecuted. It's involuntary manslaughter for a start.

[splodgeyAl]

Originally Posted by Paul2412

I can't believe how the director of a company who makes the decision to fly into closed, dangerous airspace which resulted in the loss of 200 lives would not be prosecuted. It's involuntary manslaughter for a start.

Maybe because the airspace is not closed and has been deemed safe to fly in? But, of the 241work related deaths in 2007, no-one has yet been convicted of a law that was introduced that very year.

Holding your breath until it happens is probably not the wisest plan

[andyrad29]

Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

No, that's simple common sense. If you're intending to open air space, you tell the airline bosses first, so that they can start making plans.

but were the planes not already in closed airspace while they were having the meeting? or is 39 thousand feet allowed? I was watching the vancouver flight on the radarvirtuel website whilst all the talks were taking place and is was heading for london all the time

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by andyrad29

but were the planes not already in closed airspace while they were having the meeting? or is 39 thousand feet allowed? I was watching the vancouver flight on the radarvirtuel website whilst all the talks were taking place and is was heading for london all the time

It was airspace from 0 to 20,000 feet that was closed, above that was open hence aircaft vapour trails in the sky yesterday afternoon, airtraffic going to other countries.

[Paul2412]

Originally Posted by splodgeyAl

Maybe because the airspace is not closed and has been deemed safe to fly in? But, of the 241work related deaths in 2007, no-one has yet been convicted of a law that was introduced that very year.

Holding your breath until it happens is probably not the wisest plan

At the time the aircraft were told to depart for LHR the airspace was closed and not deemed safe to fly in.

[HeadingNorth]

Originally Posted by Paul2412

At the time the aircraft were told to depart for LHR the airspace was closed and not deemed safe to fly in.

An irrelevance; it's not an offence to head towards a no-fly zone, only to enter one. That did not happen.