Attack on Gordon by Pratt fails.

Keith Rich · 24-02-2010, 06:24

The Pratt women thought she would add her voice to the Nasty Party and the horrible right wing press in trying to discredit Gordon Brown. Unfortunately for her the whole thing has backfired and it is she and her organisation that are now coming under scrutiny. Many of its supporters including Anne Widdicombe have left, nauseated by her behaviour.

Over the last few months/years the Tories have launched many personal attacks on Gordon Brown in order to disguise the fact that they have nothing to offer, and think we are too stupid to notice. Attacks on policy are one thing personal attacks are another.

While the Tories act like spoilt children who can’t get their own way Gordon Brown keeps his dignity and quietly gets on with the job of running the country.

perplexed · 24-02-2010, 07:36

She's certainly shot herself in the foot with a ruddy great 12 bore hasn't she? She's trying to make a name for herself, and all she's ended up doing is discrediting herself and her organisation.

What a cack handed attempt at political opportunism... And Cameron has made a tool of himself by jumping on allegations with glee. Even Anne Widdecome has resigned in disgust at Mrs. Pratt's actions. (Good for her!)

Tony · 24-02-2010, 08:19

The OP seems confused. In one sentence he refers to "the Nasty Party", presumably the Conservatives.

In the next he refers to Anne Widdicombe, a Conservative, resigning "nauseated" at Pratt.

In the next he claims that the Conservatives have launched personal attacks on Brown.

In the next he says that Brown "quietly gets on with the job of running the country" as the Labour Party machine goes into overdrive to smear Pratt.

As stupid as Pratt might be she seems to have her thoughts more organised than the OP.

auto98uk · 24-02-2010, 08:36

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Originally Posted by Tony

The OP seems confused. In one sentence he refers to "the Nasty Party", presumably the Conservatives.

In the next he refers to Anne Widdicombe, a Conservative, resigning "nauseated" at Pratt.

In the next he claims that the Conservatives have launched personal attacks on Brown.

In the next he says that Brown "quietly gets on with the job of running the country" as the Labour Party machine goes into overdrive to smear Pratt.

As stupid as Pratt might be she seems to have her thoughts more organised than the OP.

Thoughts such as "lets totally ignore confidentiality, and tell people we have had calls from inside 10 downing street"

Tony · 24-02-2010, 08:40

I wouldn't defend her lack of rigour and candour for a moment but the OP is making a bit of a stretch to blame it on "the Nasty Party" even with his / her lack of joined up thinking. The other parties have behaved pretty impeccably on this one.

Perhaps a proper investigation is in order now it is in the wild? That way Gordon can be completely vindicated. Yes ? Joined up thinking eh?

foxy lady · 24-02-2010, 08:42

Damian McBride

anarchist · 24-02-2010, 08:56

I think you can judge the nature of Brown by the spin doctors with whom he has chosen to surround himself.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...bullying-union

Chaos at biggest trade union as senior staff stay off work on full pay following clashes with prime minister's former spin doctor Charlie Whelan

Britain's biggest union was in turmoil last night after it emerged that three key officials in its political department have been off work for much of the past few months on full pay. They claim that they were bullied by Gordon Brown's combative former spin doctor, Charlie Whelan.

Another top official, who clashed with Whelan after he was appointed as Unite's political director in autumn 2007, has done no work for more than a year, while receiving his full salary and perks package of about £70,000.

The revelations of chaos and wasted money at the super-union put the spotlight firmly on joint general secretary Derek Simpson, who backed Whelan's appointment and who is standing for re-election in what promises to be a bitter contest beginning tomorrow.

The allegations of bullying against Whelan have fuelled a backlash against Simpson. Many claim the union, which has given several million pounds to Labour since Brown entered Downing Street, is not only riven by vicious internal disputes, but is also being run like an outpost of Number 10, rather than an independent organisation fighting for workers' rights.

There ain't nothing changed at Downing Street.

wednesday1 · 24-02-2010, 11:56

In deed this Tory stunt appears to have failed. The latest OP show's more voters ebbing away from the Cons (3

and is the third poll in as many days to show Labour trailing them by just 6 points (32). The alarm bell's must be overheating in Central Office.

I'm sure there'll be much more of this type of rubbish in the weeks and months to come.

HeadingNorth · 24-02-2010, 12:26

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Originally Posted by wednesday1

In deed this Tory stunt appears to have failed.

How is it a Tory stunt, given that all the Conservatives associated with the charity have abandoned it out of disgust at the whole thing?

And how does the Government come out of this with any credit, given that all they've done for two days solid is to attempt to smear Mrs. Pratt's character without once actually trying to rebut the claims?

wednesday1 · 24-02-2010, 12:48

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Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

How is it a Tory stunt, given that all the Conservatives associated with the charity have abandoned it out of disgust at the whole thing?

And how does the Government come out of this with any credit, given that all they've done for two days solid is to attempt to smear Mrs. Pratt's character without once actually trying to rebut the claims?

Mandelson and oters have said Brown is not a bully.How can they rebut the specific claims when the 'charity' have not gone into any details. In her zeal to accuse the PM of bullying it Pratt appears to have jumped the gun, long before any investigation has been performed.

Kingmaker2 · 24-02-2010, 12:55

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Originally Posted by Tony

As stupid as Pratt might be she seems to have her thoughts more organised than the OP.

Tony, you're a fine one to accuse others of confusing their thoughts

Originally you didn't view Ms.Pratt as stupid.

Just days ago you posted:

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Originally Posted by Tony

Oh dear, this news just came out. Doesn't look good for Gordon. Not only is he a bully, he's a lying bully.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8527170.stm

Quote: PM staff 'called bully helpline'

Several people in Gordon Brown's office have contacted an anti-bullying charity, its boss has told the BBC.

Christine Pratt said "three or four" calls had been made to the National Bullying Helpline in recent years.

To which I promptly replied:

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Originally Posted by Kingmaker2

Actually when I first saw this item on the news it wasn't Gordon Brown that didn't look good it was Ms.Pratt boss of the National Bullying Helpline!

Hmm since when does the National bullying disclose exactly who has been accused in such a public way?
Hmm I wonder if Ms.Pratt is a Conservative supporter!

Looks like I was right

The Nation Bullying Helpline has been suspended whilst bosses consider its future and Ms.Pratt has said she will consider resigning (ITN news).

anarchist · 24-02-2010, 12:57

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Originally Posted by wednesday1

Mandelson and oters have said Brown is not a bully.How can they rebut the specific claims when the 'charity' have not gone into any details. In her zeal to accuse the PM of bullying it Pratt appears to have jumped the gun, long before any investigation has been performed.

Isn't Mandelson the Prince of Darkness? The number 1 spin doctor who has been chucked out of government twice for his misdeeds. Is this unelected minister the right person to believe about his unelected Prime Minister?

auto98uk · 24-02-2010, 12:59

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Originally Posted by anarchist

Isn't Mandelson the Prince of Darkness? The number 1 spin doctor who has been chucked out of government twice for his misdeeds. Is this unelected minister the right person to believe about his unelected Prime Minister?

Except the charity woman has also said that GB wasn't being accused, so i think it is fairly safe to believe mandelson here.

Tony · 24-02-2010, 13:36

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Originally Posted by Kingmaker2

Tony, you're a fine one to accuse others of confusing their thoughts

Originally you didn't view Ms.Pratt as stupid.

Just days ago you posted:
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"A fine one" ? As you quoted, I said:

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Oh dear, this news just came out. Doesn't look good for Gordon. Not only is he a bully, he's a lying bully.

I might be a genius, but I never said that I "didn't view her as stupid" and I'm not clairvoyant.

But there are still no absolute denials as they dance around the subject using very precise language.

donkey · 24-02-2010, 14:01

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Originally Posted by HeadingNorth

How is it a Tory stunt,

At the same time as Cameron was making his public pronouncements, Nick Robinson, Political Editor at the BBC - formerly President of Oxford University Conservative Association - kept this story at the top of the BBC website and TV news programmes for two days, as well as extensive one sided prattling in his blog. This is despite the fact that he clearly hadn't followed the first rule of any serious and impartial journo - check your sources.

Even after it was all over the internet that Mrs Pratt's credibility was looking very sketchy, Cameron and Robinson kept up their double act. You can expect this kind of thing from the Tory gutter press and back benchers, but when it's head of the Tory Party and Chief Political Editor at the BBC, it's going a bit beyond the pail. I don't like Brown, and don't doubt he is a foul tempered git. He also approves military actions knowing people are going to die and be maimed as a result. He's the PM. What do people expect?
Someone a bit more like Frank Spencer?

As I've said, I'm no fan of Labour, but this is just pathetic mud-slinging. If the Tories had any ideological arguments to offer, they wouldn't stoop so low.

Kingmaker2 · 24-02-2010, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Tony

"A fine one" ? As you quoted, I said:

I might be a genius, but I never said that I "didn't view her as stupid" and I'm not clairvoyant.

What's being clairvoyant got to do with anything

You just were a little bit slow at grasping what was happening.

Bedders · 24-02-2010, 16:25

It never ceases to amaze me the number of lefties that are on here that get drawn in with the whole Labour spin machine. Alister Cambell must be raking it in as an after dinner speaker & mentor! Brainwashing a speciality. Him & Tony & you still haven't learnt.

Weapons of mass destruction / Illegal wars....' I only did what I thought was right'

When will people learn to think for themselves?

Kingmaker2 · 24-02-2010, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Bedders

It never ceases to amaze me the number of lefties that are on here that get drawn in with the whole Labour spin machine. Alister Cambell must be raking it in as an after dinner speaker & mentor! Brainwashing a speciality. Him & Tony & you still haven't learnt.

Weapons of mass destruction / Illegal wars....' I only did what I thought was right'

When will people learn to think for themselves?

But all parties use spin Bedders......it's called politics!

Kingmaker2 · 24-02-2010, 19:28

Seems like Max Clifford is keeping very busy these days!

Looks like Ms.Pratt has approached him for help!

Watch out for the exclusive headline story in the News of the World .....

"I called my own helpline I'm being bullied, my life is a misery!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1908536.html

Keith Rich · 17-03-2010, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bedders

It never ceases to amaze me the number of lefties that are on here that get drawn in with the whole Labour spin machine. Alister Cambell must be raking it in as an after dinner speaker & mentor! Brainwashing a speciality. Him & Tony & you still haven't learnt.

Weapons of mass destruction / Illegal wars....' I only did what I thought was right'

When will people learn to think for themselves?

Tony Blair was only able to carry the vote because of Tory support as many Labour backbenches voted against. So when you say people can't think for themselves you must mean the Tories.