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23-01-2010, 10:49
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Latest figures show significant drop in crime including robberies, knife crimes and murder.
Good news. Let's hope the trend continues.
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Both recorded crime and British Crime Survey reflect this drop.
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23-01-2010, 10:53
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I've a suspicion it will drop even further between now and May
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23-01-2010, 12:47
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... and pigs fly 
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23-01-2010, 12:48
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Crimes down, Unemployments down, the recession is ending, we are on another terrorist alert...
The point really is 'We have an election coming up' 
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23-01-2010, 14:27
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The facts speak for themselves.
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23-01-2010, 17:01
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Don't trust either figures tbh.
British Crime Survey - why trust a survey of random people to produce crime figures?
Recorded crime - can only beleived if they stop medelling with it. They're forever re-categorising crimes or recording crimes in the wrong category. One force not long ago was even shown to be recording violent crime as non-violent, I suspect to massage the figures.
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23-01-2010, 17:03
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One crime that is definitely on the up round this estate is burglary.
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23-01-2010, 17:12
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Originally Posted by LibertyBell
The facts speak for themselves.
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Yes the figures do speak for themselves. Some crime is down while others are up.
What also speaks for itself are the reports of the police failing to record crimes such as violent street crime and domestic violence in order to meet government targets.
I suspect with the election looming more and more reports like this will be released by the government culminating in a report a few days before polling day that the sun does in-fact shine out of Gordon Brown backside.
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23-01-2010, 18:33
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Yes the figures do speak for themselves. Some crime is down while others are up.
What also speaks for itself are the reports of the police failing to record crimes such as violent street crime and domestic violence in order to meet government targets.
I suspect with the election looming more and more reports like this will be released by the government culminating in a report a few days before polling day that the sun does in-fact shine out of Gordon Brown backside.
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Not really as these reports are released regularly regardless of whether there's an election.
The BCS is not affected anyway by police recording or reporting behavior. It's based on real people reporting real things that have happened to them.
The fact is that this story doesn't register with many people because the facts don't fit their views.
Show me a more reliable measure of crime than the BCS.
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23-01-2010, 18:42
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Yes, unemployment and crime are down. We're out of the recession, education is fantastic and Brown tells the truth.
Oh look! Here's another one!
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23-01-2010, 18:43
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Originally Posted by LibertyBell
Not really as these reports are released regularly regardless of whether there's an election.
The BCS is not affected anyway by police recording or reporting behavior. It's based on real people reporting real things that have happened to them.
The fact is that this story doesn't register with many people because the facts don't fit their views.
Show me a more reliable measure of crime than the BCS.
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How do the figures compare with 1997?
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23-01-2010, 18:48
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Originally Posted by serapis
What also speaks for itself are the reports of the police failing to record crimes such as violent street crime and domestic violence in order to meet government targets.
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These reports wouldn't happen to be in newspapers supporting the opposition would they? Much more reliable and trustworthy.
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23-01-2010, 22:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LibertyBell
Not really as these reports are released regularly regardless of whether there's an election.
The BCS is not affected anyway by police recording or reporting behavior. It's based on real people reporting real things that have happened to them.
The fact is that this story doesn't register with many people because the facts don't fit their views.
Show me a more reliable measure of crime than the BCS.
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First of all it has already been reported that some crimes are down and some are up. You chose to highlight only those that have gone down, for obvious political aims you did not allow people the detail so they could see the whole picture.
Secondly the police inspectorate themselves reported only late last year that 1 in 3 decisions taken by officers to dismiss a report of a serious violent attack is wrong. By categorising these complaints in the new bracket of ‘none-crime’ the police are effectively removing these statistics from the official crime figures. This was credited to all police forces and is blamed on Labours targets.
This is the tip of the iceberg of a problem caused by labours use of targets on anything and everything no matter what the cost.
I have no idea what you mean about the story not registering as what I have quoted has already been widely reported in the press.
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23-01-2010, 22:41
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These reports wouldn't happen to be in newspapers supporting the opposition would they? Much more reliable and trustworthy.
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Nope that was Chief Inspector of [the] Constabulary, Denis O'Connor who said: 'There are some fairly well-rehearsed perverse incentives around targets and "no crimes" is one of those potentially.' when speaking about the levels of crimes being miss-classified and thus being removed from the official crime statistics, the very statistics LibertyBell is waving around as the word of god.
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23-01-2010, 22:50
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Originally Posted by AJ sheffield
One crime that is definitely on the up round this estate is burglary.
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Which estate is that then?
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24-01-2010, 16:41
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Which estate is that then?
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Take my word for it.
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24-01-2010, 17:48
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From what I understand the offical Police figures show that crime overall fell. The British Crime Survey (BCS) an independant body which questions a proportion of the population said that crime had remianed stable. I guess the actual figure is somewhere between the two.
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24-01-2010, 18:23
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Originally Posted by truman
How do the figures compare with 1997?
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They've fallen quite a bit. Overall crime has been falling every year since 1995.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/bcs1.html
Last edited by anywebsite; 24-01-2010 at 18:28.
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