[xsport]

u can clearly see that the interchange is not suitable, when the buses are on their way out they either have to get a good wide swing on it and nearly go up the kirb accross the road and nearly hit the wall, or try cut the corner short to make sure you dont hit the wall accross the road and then risk smashing up the platforms.

we was told at the interchange that the number 20 (which i was waiting for) was being diverted and to catch it outside the precinct, but i waited for ages and i just got fed up and walked it home.

i think they really need to re-design the interchange and take out the 1st platform at the edge of the road, then buses will be able to pull out without a struggle.

[SYorksDeano]

I witnessed the encounter between the bus and kerb and told exmrbd to post on here to warn other people.

Einstein certainly wasn't driving that bus today. It was clearly obvious that he wasn't going to get around the corner but decided to carry on.......then resulted in removing passengers including school children via the emergency exit (got some nice pictures to, will post them tomorrow).

I think the police were as clueless as everyone else as to how the driver managed to rip the hydrolic pipes out and damage his air bags and hit the kerb at the angle that he did.

Must have been hell in town with at least 3 trams out of action

[FallenAngel6]

Firstly the buses were getting through fine, traffic was being routed well, albeit some of the police were there for show and their actions not needed. I walked from middlewood, got my stuff sorted, got back to middlewood over an hour later and the tram was still there.

How they came up with the excuse a tow truck could not get through is beyond me, it was 10 times worse last week when the buses were backed up for an hour. They could surely have come via penistone road and up past wilkinsons very easily.

That place gets broken lights, crashes, and other failings far to often and they should look into further development of the area.

One problem with a single bus and half the city comes to a halt lol

[julado]

Originally Posted by FallenAngel6

One problem with a single bus and half the city comes to a halt lol

Not just an ordinary single bus.....NO....a First single bus......the same company and type of bus that ripped up the curbstones just the day before.

[Neutral body]

Originally Posted by julado

Not just an ordinary single bus.....NO....a First single bus......the same company and type of bus that ripped up the curbstones just the day before.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware that First buses are of a completely different type to any other operators. Do You think (pushing it I know) that it could have been a First bus that did it because first buses use that particular stand?
As has been stated already, the layout has been ammended recently, I do not suppose that you have taken this into account? Perhaps given your obvious expertise you will be offering your services to any first drivers and will also be pushing the PTE to revise the layout to a specification you will provide?

[julado]

Originally Posted by Neutral body

Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware that First buses are of a completely different type to any other operators. Do You think (pushing it I know) that it could have been a First bus that did it because first buses use that particular stand?
As has been stated already, the layout has been ammended recently, I do not suppose that you have taken this into account? Perhaps given your obvious expertise you will be offering your services to any first drivers and will also be pushing the PTE to revise the layout to a specification you will provide?

I am no expert...but for it to happen once is an accident...for it to happen twice - as in I witnessed the very same thing (see my previous post) the day before....is carelessness. The only difference is that the day before's incident didn't severe the lines....it just crinkled up the side of the bus and damaged the exhaust to the total oblivion of the driver who didn't even stop to find out what he had hit.....thank God it had not been a passenger!!!!!! And despite other vehicles beeping to try and get his attention the driver went merrily on his way. I am glad I got his fleet number.

And if First bus drivers find it impossible to negotiate that corner then why don't they go on strike until the problem is solved....that's the normal way First drivers deal with problems.

[Neutral body]

Originally Posted by julado

I am no expert...

That is readily apparent.

Originally Posted by julado

And if First bus drivers find it impossible to negotiate that corner then why don't they go on strike until the problem is solved....that's the normal way First drivers deal with problems.

A very mature reply, in keeping with the nature of your observations. You are at least consistent.

[julado]

I don't quite understand why you are so down on me....

Let's look at the evidence.

Thursday.....First bus scrunches up it's right hand side and exhaust failing to negotiate a kerb.....which it ends up dragging into the middle of the road and the driver carries on without stopping.

Friday....First bus not only scrunches up its right hand side and exhaust but severs important safety equipment failing to negotiate the same kerb. Thus resulting in mass inconvenience for over two hours.

They were both First buses....not Stagecoach, not Sheffield Community Transport or any other company....they were First buses.

And I think you will find that First have recently wanted to go on strike for what ever reason.....Stagecoach were not threatening to strike, Sheffield Community Transport were not threatening to strike, no other bus company in Sheffield was threatening to strike.....just First buses.

Ergo....I can see a reason why First could conceivably wish to strike again.....how many more First drivers will hit that kerb either because the design is not correct or they are inadequately trained.

What's your problem....unless of course you work for First....and indeed were one of the drivers (unless it was the same driver responsible on both days)....WAS THAT YOU????

[julado]

Originally Posted by Neutral body

I have worked for many years in a consultancy capacity within the transport industry, I have probably forgotten more than most on here will ever know about bus operation.

I have found the above quote on another thread.

So then Neutral body....what does your expertise tell you about the two incidents at Hillsborough Interchange then.

And what can YOU in your professional capacity do to stop this happening again?

I just see things as every other public transport user sees things...that we are inconvenienced because a professional driver can't negotiate a kerb.

And to be fair I think there are far more public transport users on this forum than those who work in a consultancy capacity.

And if those who are in the privileged position of being in a consultancy capacity actually listened to what ordinary public transport users have to say then perhaps Sheffield would have a public transport system second to none and not the mess it has today.

[bagger]

Originally Posted by julado

I am no expert...but for it to happen once is an accident...for it to happen twice - as in I witnessed the very same thing (see my previous post) the day before....is carelessness. The only difference is that the day before's incident didn't severe the lines....it just crinkled up the side of the bus and damaged the exhaust to the total oblivion of the driver who didn't even stop to find out what he had hit.....thank God it had not been a passenger!!!!!! And despite other vehicles beeping to try and get his attention the driver went merrily on his way. I am glad I got his fleet number.

And if First bus drivers find it impossible to negotiate that corner then why don't they go on strike until the problem is solved....that's the normal way First drivers deal with problems.

Well said that woman! Strikes usually solve things for First. Very soon the numpties won't have any customers left but won't notice and will still be happily striking every now and again. All by themselves. Fools.

[bagger]

Originally Posted by julado

I have found the above quote on another thread.

So then Neutral body....what does your expertise tell you about the two incidents at Hillsborough Interchange then.

And what can YOU in your professional capacity do to stop this happening again?

I just see things as every other public transport user sees things...that we are inconvenienced because a professional driver can't negotiate a kerb.

And to be fair I think there are far more public transport users on this forum than those who work in a consultancy capacity.

And if those who are in the privileged position of being in a consultancy capacity actually listened to what ordinary public transport users have to say then perhaps Sheffield would have a public transport system second to none and not the mess it has today.

Ahh, but no one is INTERESTED in what mere customers think. It's not about customers, it's not about providing a reliable, useable service, it's only about profit.

[fox20thc]

And whilst we are on the subject of buses at that particular part of Sheffield, why do bus drivers seem to think the pedestrian crossing in particular the red light indicating 'stop, pedestrians crossing' doesn't apply to them?

There have been numerous person vs bus accidents and near misses, twice I was nearly mown down when crossing when the green man was on but the bus just ploughed on through regardless.

Somebody will be killed one day on that crossing and it won't be the pedestrians fault.

[julado]

Neutral body seems to have gone quiet

[dink]

If it is to any benefit to you all, im sure that bus driver will be sacked on monday morning for his incident on Friday, so you may all sleep easier that you wont have him on the road to do it again, ive heard someone say they saw a driver dislodge the stone on thursday, could this be why he hit the curb? as it had been moved previous??

The road layout is to blame, the driver maybe should have stopped when he went up the curb and reversed back, but to get the right turn out of their you have to have arms like popeye.

The interchange is to small for its purpose, thats why stagecoach are thinking of stopping using it for the 52 service, we waste so much time, especially at night trying to get out of their and up Ripley street, no one wants to let you out, they just like blocking you in.

[Lucy-Lastic]

Originally Posted by fox20thc

And whilst we are on the subject of buses at that particular part of Sheffield, why do bus drivers seem to think the pedestrian crossing in particular the red light indicating 'stop, pedestrians crossing' doesn't apply to them?

There have been numerous person vs bus accidents and near misses, twice I was nearly mown down when crossing when the green man was on but the bus just ploughed on through regardless.

Somebody will be killed one day on that crossing and it won't be the pedestrians fault.

Its not just busses unfortunately - Trams seem to do it aswell!

[Neutral body]

Originally Posted by julado

Neutral body seems to have gone quiet

unlike you I have a life away from this rather childish forum.

[Neutral body]

Originally Posted by julado

I have found the above quote on another thread.

So then Neutral body....what does your expertise tell you about the two incidents at Hillsborough Interchange then.

It tells me that the re-alignment of the stands has not been a success and that you are taking great delight in slagging off people who are out to earn a wage whilst sheltering behind an assumed identity on here and no doubt when you contact the operator.

Originally Posted by julado

And what can YOU in your professional capacity do to stop this happening again?

Nothing. But if I felt so inclined I would be contacting the relevant people to discuss the way forward. Not coming onto a public forum that is noted for its bigottry and slagging off people who have not the ability to defend themselves. That though is the way this forum likes to conduct itself.

Originally Posted by julado

I just see things as every other public transport user sees things...that we are inconvenienced because a professional driver can't negotiate a kerb.

And to be fair I think there are far more public transport users on this forum than those who work in a consultancy capacity.

And if those who are in the privileged position of being in a consultancy capacity actually listened to what ordinary public transport users have to say then perhaps Sheffield would have a public transport system second to none and not the mess it has today.

Sheffield has, based on your input so far, got at least the service it deserves.

I often go to the cinema, this does not qualify Me to judge the ability of the projectionist, the actors, producers, sound engineers, etc. Why does paying for a ride on a bus entitle you to have an istant expertise on all areas of bus operation?
Or do you just have a grudge and without the treatment you need to come to terms with it find this to be a suitable outlet?

[bagger]

Originally Posted by Neutral body

unlike you I have a life away from this rather childish forum.

But you find yourself drawn here in the middle of the night?

[bagger]

Originally Posted by Neutral body

It tells me that the re-alignment of the stands has not been a success and that you are taking great delight in slagging off people who are out to earn a wage whilst sheltering behind an assumed identity on here and no doubt when you contact the operator.

Nothing. But if I felt so inclined I would be contacting the relevant people to discuss the way forward. Not coming onto a public forum that is noted for its bigottry and slagging off people who have not the ability to defend themselves. That though is the way this forum likes to conduct itself.

Sheffield has, based on your input so far, got at least the service it deserves.

I often go to the cinema, this does not qualify Me to judge the ability of the projectionist, the actors, producers, sound engineers, etc. Why does paying for a ride on a bus entitle you to have an istant expertise on all areas of bus operation?
Or do you just have a grudge and without the treatment you need to come to terms with it find this to be a suitable outlet?

I think many people have a grudge against First buses, their drivers and the company in general. This is probably because, despite paying huge fares, the service is unreliable, the drivers are usually miserable and bad tempered, the buses themselves are disgustingly filthy and First behave like they're doing us a favour!
So while paying for a 'service' doesn't make me an expert it does make me, and other CUSTOMERS entitled to have an opinion and express their disgust when the service they're PAYING for doesn't come up to scratch.

[julado]

Originally Posted by Neutral body

It tells me that the re-alignment of the stands has not been a success and that you are taking great delight in slagging off people who are out to earn a wage whilst sheltering behind an assumed identity on here and no doubt when you contact the operator.

Unless you had failed to notice we ALL have assumed identities on this forum...I am pretty much certain your actual name is not Neutral body.....and I have no intention of contacting the operator...there is no point....they don't listen. I gave the fleet number to the Transport Interchange Inspector who walked up to see what had happened following the incident on Thursday.

Originally Posted by Neutral body

Nothing. But if I felt so inclined I would be contacting the relevant people to discuss the way forward. Not coming onto a public forum that is noted for its bigottry and slagging off people who have not the ability to defend themselves. That though is the way this forum likes to conduct itself.

If you do not like this forum (that is noted for it's bigotry and slagging off people.....) then you are free to find a forum that more suits your needs. You are not held at gunpoint until you post something. You have free will to post and free will not to. If you do not like this forum them simply leave. And you know for certain that the driver involved is not on this forum .... maybe he is but is keeping a low profile. In fact, if you wish to contact him and tell him about this thread I will post to him direct....in fact if you wish to set up a meeting I will tell him to his face....I have nothing to hide.

Originally Posted by Neutral body

Sheffield has, based on your input so far, got at least the service it deserves.

Just MY input then....read other posts, read other threads....I am certainly not alone.

Originally Posted by Neutral body

I often go to the cinema, this does not qualify Me to judge the ability of the projectionist, the actors, producers, sound engineers, etc. Why does paying for a ride on a bus entitle you to have an istant expertise on all areas of bus operation?

I don't have expertise on any area of bus operation....you obviously missed what I posted earlier...and I don't pay for bus rides....I have a pass thank you. And here at Middlewood First abandoned us and we have NO bus during the day. This is Britain's 4th largest city and this area does not have a bus....and that apparently is down to profit. And yes....First are perfectly aware of who I am and my thoughts on the fact that we have been abandoned. I tried to negotiate the return of the 57 bus but First would rather see people struggle....as indeed they would have done for two hours on Friday when there was no tram to take them home or get them from Middlewood. We do not have the luxury of a bus service.

Originally Posted by Neutral body

Or do you just have a grudge and without the treatment you need to come to terms with it find this to be a suitable outlet?

Treatment....what are you suggesting? Read the threads....there are lots of people who do find this a suitable outlet to talk about the state of the buses in Sheffield...First in particular. And if it wasn't an area deemed suitable for discussion then the Admin team would not allow it.

And by a strange quirk of fate I am also on the South Yorkshire Transport forum...again as julado....but I got banned for talking negatively about First buses.....are you an admin on there then.....I would have thought that was the IDEAL place to discuss South Yorkshire Transport. Seems you can only discuss the good things...well let's face it..the forum would be snowed under if we could discuss how we users see First

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