[bill1]

So the ex US presidential candidate might be sued by the man who fronts the weather channel in the states because global warming is a lie.??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR4oIZ0k2d0

Is global warming being expoused as a lie?

[JFKvsNixon]

Originally Posted by bill1

So the ex US presidential candidate might be sued by the man who fronts the weather channel in the states because global warming is a lie.??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR4oIZ0k2d0

Is global warming being expoused as a lie?

Lol, I don't think that "global warming" was Al Gore's idea.

[Grandad.Malky]

Is he going to sue some of the cut and paste brigade on here?

[bill1]

Originally Posted by JFKvsNixon

Lol, I don't think that "global warming" was Al Gore's idea.

True but he is the figure head who goes round the world making the case for global warming.

[JFKvsNixon]

Originally Posted by bill1

True but he is the figure head who goes round the world making the case for global warming.

So do you really believe that someone is going to be sued for repeating what the majority of scientists think?

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by bill1

So the ex US presidential candidate might be sued by the man who fronts the weather channel in the states because global warming is a lie.??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR4oIZ0k2d0

Is global warming being expoused as a lie?

It has been a year and a half since he first announced he and "30,000"* scientists would sue Al Gore.

I don't think they have yet and if as this article points out the evidence he gives is anything like that which he uses in your snippet he will be laughed out of court.

http://www.desmogblog.com/john-colem...aiting-lawsuit
* see link for why that is also laughable.

Ps the fact that as he puts it only Fox will allow him a platform really says it all.

[Agent Orange]

Is global warming being expoused as a lie? No. It says there are many people out there with varying opinions on the subject.

[sibon]

Originally Posted by Malky

Is he going to sue some of the cut and paste brigade on here?

Not quite cut and paste, Malky, but take 5 minutes to read this brief biography. It demonstrates quite clearly the difficulty of getting new scientific ideas accepted by the scientific community.

I think that we can all agree now that Wegener was right... he had a very difficult time convincing the sceptics.

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by sibon

Not quite cut and paste, Malky, but take 5 minutes to read this brief biography. It demonstrates quite clearly the difficulty of getting new scientific ideas accepted by the scientific community.

I think that we can all agree now that Wegener was right... he had a very difficult time convincing the sceptics.

There are those that copy and paste huge extracts which nobody ever read then there are those that come up with little gems like the one you have found.

"Scientists still do not appear to understand sufficiently that all earth sciences must contribute evidence toward unveiling the state of our planet in earlier times, and that the truth of the matter can only be reached by combing all this evidence. . . It is only by combing the information furnished by all the earth sciences that we can hope to determine 'truth' here, that is to say, to find the picture that sets out all the known facts in the best arrangement and that therefore has the highest degree of probability. Further, we have to be prepared always for the possibility that each new discovery, no matter what science furnishes it, may modify the conclusions we draw."

Alfred Wegener. The Origins of Continents and Oceans

[sibon]

Originally Posted by Malky

There are those that copy and paste huge extracts which nobody ever read then there are those that come up with little gems like the one you have found.

In the case of Wegener's theory, it didn't really matter if he was right or wrong. Climate change is a completely different matter. You quoted Wegener's claim that we obtain the truth by combining all known information. In this case, we are faced with a huge dilemma. Do we accept the possibility that climate change is happening and try to do something about it? Or do we say that we need more evidence first and potentially waste 50 years finding out more?

The Earth is a pretty complex machine and the chances of us ever understanding it fully are tiny.

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by sibon

The Earth is a pretty complex machine and the chances of us ever understanding it fully are tiny.

Well at least you seem to have an open mind on the subject where there are those that would suggest its already a forgone conclusion.

[Need BB]

When the Earth was young and quite hot, the atmosphere was dominated by co2 over a period af several million years, plants formed and absorbed a large amount of co2 and and emitted oxygen as a by-product. Because of this the Earth gradually cooled. The balance was pretty much perfect for advanced organisms to flourish. Over the past couple of centuries we have unlocked a lot of the co2 that plants and other processes have absorbed into the rocks and Earth via oil, coal and gas. The co2 that has been locked up since the Earths formation is basically being released again. We have proof in the ice records that the Earth gets much warmer when there is a lot of co2 in the atmosphere. It won't affect the Earth, that's been around for billions of years and likely will still. We're just making the place a very tough place for us to live. I hope our arrogance destroys us and the Earth can get back to being a lovely home for life that deserves it.

Whether you like it or not or accept it or not. Releasing co2 back in to the atmosphere will result in a warmer climate. It's happened before and will happen again, it's just this time we're helping it along much quicker than it should happen.

[Need BB]

Originally Posted by sibon

In the case of Wegener's theory, it didn't really matter if he was right or wrong. Climate change is a completely different matter. You quoted Wegener's claim that we obtain the truth by combining all known information. In this case, we are faced with a huge dilemma. Do we accept the possibility that climate change is happening and try to do something about it? Or do we say that we need more evidence first and potentially waste 50 years finding out more?

The Earth is a pretty complex machine and the chances of us ever understanding it fully are tiny.

Humans will never sort it. The only way it can be sorted is to stop releasing massive amounts of carbon. We're not going to do that. We'll likely survive for a few millenia whether it gets hotter or not. It's just going to be a bit tougher to live comfortably.

[truman]

Originally Posted by Need BB

When the Earth was young and quite hot, the atmosphere was dominated by co2 over a period af several million years, plants formed and absorbed a large amount of co2 and and emitted oxygen as a by-product. Because of this the Earth gradually cooled. The balance was pretty much perfect for advanced organisms to flourish. Over the past couple of centuries we have unlocked a lot of the co2 that plants and other processes have absorbed into the rocks and Earth via oil, coal and gas. The co2 that has been locked up since the Earths formation is basically being released again. We have proof in the ice records that the Earth gets much warmer when there is a lot of co2 in the atmosphere. It won't affect the Earth, that's been around for billions of years and likely will still. We're just making the place a very tough place for us to live. I hope our arrogance destroys us and the Earth can get back to being a lovely home for life that deserves it.

Whether you like it or not or accept it or not. Releasing co2 back in to the atmosphere will result in a warmer climate. It's happened before and will happen again, it's just this time we're helping it along much quicker than it should happen.

Could you explain the Medieval Warm Period....? ie much less CO2 than now but a 500 year period of higher average tempreature than now...or the Ordovician Period,the end of which saw CO2 levels as high as 4400ppm but yet was also the start of an Ice Age...

[mr_blue_owl]

If Al Gore wrote a tune, would it be an algorithm?

[Ousetunes]

Scientific fraud.

[Kingmaker2]

Originally Posted by bill1

True but he is the figure head who goes round the world making the case for global warming.

Has this John Coleman actually listened to Al Gore?

I don't think Al Gore ever said that "we were all going to bake and die" and "the world is going to end"

It's hard to take this guy seriously if he talks in such language, and if he does try to sue Gore using the same vernacular he will get laughed out of court.

Not too much science data to back up his claims in that interview, but then again it was a FOX interview so what did you expect.
Fox still think Palin and Mccain will win the election.

[mr_blue_owl]

They

They crawled amphibious from the sea
A brand new verdant world to see
They then became the first primates
And travelled on tectonic plates

They grew two thumbs and learnt to fashion
Tools then weapons were their passion
They learned to love and to foster hate
And to engineer their planet’s fate

They made war with their fellow men
And made foul air from oxygen
They spread plague and disease around
And sucked the oil out from the ground

They stormed the shores of Iwo Jima
And dropped a bomb on Hiroshima
They built a stock of nuclear arms
Splattered Viets with hot napalm

They stood silent as the children died
In Rwanda’s brutal genocide
They poisoned everybody’s mind
‘They’ are the beast we call Mankind

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by bill1

True but he is the figure head who goes round the world making the case for global warming.

Can you be sued just for being wrong now?
This sounds like a publicity stunt more than anything.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Need BB

When the Earth was young and quite hot, the atmosphere was dominated by co2 over a period af several million years, plants formed and absorbed a large amount of co2 and and emitted oxygen as a by-product. Because of this the Earth gradually cooled. The balance was pretty much perfect for advanced organisms to flourish. Over the past couple of centuries we have unlocked a lot of the co2 that plants and other processes have absorbed into the rocks and Earth via oil, coal and gas. The co2 that has been locked up since the Earths formation is basically being released again. We have proof in the ice records that the Earth gets much warmer when there is a lot of co2 in the atmosphere. It won't affect the Earth, that's been around for billions of years and likely will still. We're just making the place a very tough place for us to live. I hope our arrogance destroys us and the Earth can get back to being a lovely home for life that deserves it.

Whether you like it or not or accept it or not. Releasing co2 back in to the atmosphere will result in a warmer climate. It's happened before and will happen again, it's just this time we're helping it along much quicker than it should happen.

The majority of the Cretaceous was several degrees hotter than now and had a higher O2 partial pressure. I don't think that we fully understand the balances and checks that control the temperature and gas percentages, nor possibly the role of the sun in all this (it is the ultimate source of heat in the solar system, if it's output varies then it will have an impact).