[Fareast]

Just been reading where the Scum and Boneheads of Sheffield have made 20 attacks this past year on firemen. The report says that the Scum have even been laying booby traps inside empty houses , setting the houses alight and thus trying to cause firemen various injuries. [180 cases in Manchester !]
The firemen , apparently are going to receive training to help to combat all this. New laws are to be brought in , in connection with young thugs attacking firemen.
Has this country gone totally bonkers ?
What about the laws that already exist ? Attempted murder ?
Conspiracy ? Various breaches of the peace ? Behaviour likely to cause death or injury to others ? [ if the firemen are chasing around after these idiots , they can't be answering genuine calls ] .
It's not the firemen's job anyhow to catch criminals , it's the job of the police.It's also , one would think , the job of a judge to give them a long term of imprisonment , if found guilty.
We seem to have laws for every conceivable crime under the sun in this country . . Have we really any need to have more ?
No woder the scumbags are laughing all the way to the pub , with their unemployment money.

[Carborundum]

Scum of the earth wish they wud set light to their chavvy inflammable trakkies and do all of society a favour ...

[AndrewC]

Perhaps we should greatly increase the teaching and guidance we give to parents in order to destroy the cultrue of extreme disrespect towards figures of authority?


If not that then perhaps a round of public executions might make the littlew sods think twice?

[tazman]

The firemen should be able to turn the fire hoses on these individuals and give them a good soaking.

They would think twice if they were soaked and look totally stupid in front of their mates.

Then they might think twice about doing it.

That ought to be the change in the law.

[saxon51]

Maybe giving the fire crews 'free reign' to punch the little sods in self defence might enlighten them a bit.

[PhilipB]

Or you could do what we know works best.

Send them on an Outward Bound Course and then a fortnights holiday abroad somewhere nice, with plenty of taxpayers money to spend.

That makes sense now doesn't it?

[Hels]

IMHO this is a result of a Government who has given a generation of young people free-reign to do as they like.

Under the current regime, if the firefighters were to turn their hoses on the scumbags, they'd end up being the one's up in court for GBH or something.

We must ensure that any young person who comits a crime gets punished for it. Equally, there needs to be something constructive for young people to do in their free time. The devil makes work for idle hands - if these young people knew they would face punishment, if they were brought up to respect other people and if they had other useful things to do, I dare say incidents such as this would become a rare occurance.

One of the punishments these scumbags should face is to spend a month with the firefighters, see what they have to put up with and what an horrific job it can be. Maybe then they would learn some respect and even gain a conscience too.

Not all young people do this sort of thing though, at it is so sad that the minority tarnish the reputation of the majority.

[Nimrod]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AndrewC
[B]Perhaps we should greatly increase the teaching and guidance we give to parents in order to destroy the cultrue of extreme disrespect towards figures of authority?


Disrespectful parents produce nasty horrible disrespectful kids, just ask any teacher.

[Fareast]

I agree that it would be great if the firemen could turn their hoses on the idiots.........etc......the problem is that the latest , "trick" is to pull up floorboards in an empty house ,start some kind of fire ,cover the empty cavity over with lino or something and the firemen crash down into the hole.{Sheffield Today---The Star }.
I suppose when the firemen arrive , the boneheads are hidden away somewhere , having a good laugh. These are not the ones who throw things at firemen and so on when the firemen can get at them .Even if the firemen could do anything , they shouldn't have to waste their time chasing thugs. There may be another emergency , "in the pipeline ".
Even if the thugs get caught ,very little happens in the way of punishment , if anything at all. NO-ONE is allowed to physically punish them and they seem to get all sorts of non-custodial sentences before the Courts even think of locking them away.
Every time anyone on S.F. suggests harsh punishments for these thugs , they usually get howled down by the Do-Gooders and Hand-Wringers who come up with all sorts of reasons why these naughty boys only need a bit of understanding and their behaviour would change for the better.
This is what it has led to :--thugs playing stupid tricks on men who are trying to save lives and often risk their own.
This country needs a complete re-think on how it treats its thugs and how it should be protecting its innocent citizens.

[Hels]

Couldn't agree more Fareast. They need a good dose of their own medicine - see how they like it then. I wish the firefighters would turn their hoses on them - and everyone turn a blind eye

[DaveJames]

Fascinating and infuriating.

Prison may also not be the answer though... an aquaintance of mine who is a priest recalls speaking to a teenager who had just served a sentence in a young offenders place, for nicking cars and joy-riding.

He asked the boy if being locked up had helped, the boy replied "yeah, i learned loads while i was inside"

"What did you learn?"

"how to nick faster more expensive cars" was the reply, or similar.

We see the American BOOT CAMP thing on their TV shows... would something like that work here? Take em away, break em completely, then build em back up into something productive?

If there were a simple answer i'm sure somone would have put it into practise by now...

[Fareast]

Hels ,

Thanks for your support. I think , nowadays, more and more people ARE beginning to see that something drastic should be done.
Normally , I'd agree with your idea of making the thugs spend some time with the fire service and let them see what it's like to pull a few charred bodies out of burned buildings ; however , imagine the poor firemen having to put up with a complete numbskull for a month ! In any case , they would have to be constantly watched as they'd probably be doing a few , "tricks " round the fire station , given half a chance !

[WallBuilder]

This was the subject of a program not long ago and some of the other things the 'bored' kids were doing was trying to cut through hoses or stealing equipment from the engine whilst it was unattended. When it showed a fire engine deliberately trapped in a cul de sacc and being pelted with missiles as it tried to reverse out I'm afraid I was practically screaming at the TV, 'Turn a water cannon on them'
There was a thread on here not long ago about a student accomadation block and a false alarm that then led to a fire crew and engine having bottles thrown at them by supposedly intelligent students [I think moronic students] Anyone know did the university do anything to identify and kick out these low lifes?

[Hels]

Some of them wouldn't last 24hrs working in a firestation, but i'd be interested to see if a month did anything to influence them.

I watched bad lads army last time round, it was fascinating stuff and some of them even joined up for the regular army when it finished.

Some of the idiots are too far gone for regular punishment and like someone already said, they end up learning more inside and come out more prepared to comit crime.

Something drastic needs doing though.

When I was in Egypt our guide told us that they have national service (or whatever they call it over there). If the kids are educated they must do 1 year, if they are partly educated they do 2 years, and if they are un-educated they must do 3 years. That gives the 'army' a chance to educate them. Sounds a good idea to me.

[Fareast]

Dave James ,

Well , you've come near the correct answer-----a sort of boot camp-----but with absolutely no priviliges , no fixed date of release and hard , unremitting , physical work.Food , clothing ....etc....would be of the simplest kind.
At the moment [ and this is why the teenager was able to tell your friend , what he did tell him] , a young inmate usually comes out of , "prison " fitter and heavier than when they went in ; they are allowed regular visits and phone calls [ and if they can write --- letters ] , so they keep in touch with all their pals and the , "culture " that formed them in the first place ; they can communicate freely with their fellow inmates and they have the free time and energy , presumably , to learn new , "tricks " ; they have T.V. and music and , I suppose books , if they can read.From various reports that come out , drugs are fairly easily available too.
Sounds more like a holiday camp than a nick.
The only reason our various governments HAVEN'T tried a Boot Camp+ system is that they are frightened to death of looking reactionary , they tend to be protected from it all and not live in areas badly affected by scum.
In every poll conducted , the public are crying out for something to be done but who the hell can they vote for to put things right ?
I guess that's why the extreme right have made progress over the years and more and more people just don't bother to vote.Unfortunately , we can't vote on a single issue and the government would never dare have a referendum on Crime and Punishment -----it could offend the Guardian AND the B.B.C.

[Don_Kiddick]

It's not just the scummy unemployed, guilty.

Some appear to be intelligent...

[AndrewC]

Originally posted by Nimrod Disrespectful parents produce nasty horrible disrespectful kids, just ask any teacher. [/B]

If i had my way i'd make BBC 3's 'Little Angels' compulsory viewing to all new parents!!!

[Carmine]

I try to be a consistent leftie do-gooder and keep to hugging my trees...but these are people for whom I'd be willing to bring back the stocks and arm the decent and law-abiding onlookers with pepper spray...imagine Look North that evening!

[Ant]

Just curious - what is a bonehead?

[Don_Kiddick]

swap your bone for a nob