Hernia in Cavalier puppies

maryjane · 19-09-2009, 20:01

Hi,
I went to see two beautiful puppies today, with a view to buying. They both have hernias, which the owner hadnt told me, even though it was a 4 hour round trip! she says it is an easy operation but they will be unable to have puppies themselves as she has put no breeding on the certificate. Also the mum of puppies was very agressive to another dog in the house whilst we were there.
Should we leave well alone? she has been emailing us pictures an updates every week and I feel almost guilty now to say no.

any advice.? thanks.

angellic · 19-09-2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by maryjane

Hi,
I went to see two beautiful puppies today, with a view to buying. They both have hernias, which the owner hadnt told me, even though it was a 4 hour round trip! she says it is an easy operation but they will be unable to have puppies themselves as she has put no breeding on the certificate. Also the mum of puppies was very agressive to another dog in the house whilst we were there.
Should we leave well alone? she has been emailing us pictures an updates every week and I feel almost guilty now to say no.

any advice.? thanks.

Do the puppies have kc papers? Are the parents health tested? (you can check on the kc site if you have the pedigree names of the dam and sire) Have the parents been shown? Have they any titles? If not I wouldnt get a puupy from them!

Sarah1985 · 19-09-2009, 20:10

Id stear clear. It wasnt very honest of her not to tell you about their hernia. She obviously presumed you would see the puppys and fall in love with one, which seems very naughty to me. Id be looking for full disclosure from a breeder.

Plain Talker · 19-09-2009, 20:26

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Originally Posted by maryjane

Hi,
I went to see two beautiful puppies today, with a view to buying. They both have hernias, which the owner hadnt told me, even though it was a 4 hour round trip! she says it is an easy operation but they will be unable to have puppies themselves as she has put no breeding on the certificate. Also the mum of puppies was very agressive to another dog in the house whilst we were there.
Should we leave well alone? she has been emailing us pictures an updates every week and I feel almost guilty now to say no.

any advice.? thanks.

My bold:-

No breeding? That's not such a hardship is it, really? To have them Doctored so that they aren't put through the dangers of whelping, and not put through the risks of pyometra and the womb and mammary cancers.

Unless of course you were planning to breed them?

MY destruct-o-pup, a Jack Russ, had a hernia (which I didn't actually know about!) The vet found it whilst performing her spay, and they repaired it for me whilst she was under the anaesthetic for her spay. (which was done at 6.5 months)

It was better (safer) getting both procedures done under the one lot of anaesthetic, and having the hernia "reduced" (as a repair is called) before it had the chance to grow and/or strangulate, and need an emergency-dash to the vet.

It's over a year on, now, (May/June 0

since pup had her op, and she's been absolutely fine. Not a hint of a problem, at all.

medusa · 19-09-2009, 20:47

If the pups have registration papers and the parents are both health checked then that's a start, but if mum's temperament is not good then that would make me think twice, as would the fact that you weren't told about the hernias.

Whilst umbilical hernias are common and nothing at all to worry about health wise (as PT says, very simple to have sorted out at the same time as being neutered) with no implications on future health, it's still the sort of thing that you as a prospective home for a puppy would expect to be told about when making a long journey to view puppies isn't it?

helenasq · 19-09-2009, 21:02

Why was the mum aggressive? Was she protecting her pups from the other dog or just having a go at the other dog? If she was protecting her pups I could understand that but if that wasn't the case I'd leave well alone as cavaliers aren't an aggressive breed so that's not a good sign. The hernia wouldn't put me off having the pups.

maryjane · 19-09-2009, 22:32

Thanks for the replys, no breeding from them is not a problem. The mother was agressive towards another dog, a female, the owner says they hate each other and it is a big problem, they have no idea why, they were a lovely family and clearly loved their dogs who live as part of the family, but as I had travelled such a long way with 3 little kids, I felt cheated somehow that they hadnt told me, thanks for all the advice. I love this site!

Bwalker · 19-09-2009, 22:40

if the mother was aggeressive, the pups might be to other dogs 2. i wouldnt had got mine if his mother was aggressive to the other dog the breeders had.

Sarah1985 · 20-09-2009, 06:31

I dont think i would be overly concerned about the mothers agression.It Could be the mother has being agressive because she had pups to protect. Plus Im sure Ive read somewhere that if you own 2 intact females they will tend to fight. I suppose it depends how aggressive they got though.

Gemima · 20-09-2009, 08:01

I would steer well clear of this if they havent been health tested especially for syringomyelia. Hernias can cause problems depending on the type of hernia it is, but they can also be hereditary hence the "not to be bred from" statement.

I would only buy a Cavalier from health tested parents and from a breeder who has bred carefully to try and reduce some of the serious health problems that Cavaliers can have, this does not sound like one of those to me.

Karis · 20-09-2009, 19:02

Just to add to this: My latest cav had a hernia which, after travelling 200+ miles one way to pick him up, the breeder not only hadn't told me, she also said it *wasn't* a hernia and that the vets would say it was and that I just had to push it in every day with a massage to get rid of it!

Obviously, I didn't argue, but my lovely little boy needs surgery to correct it, and yes, I fell in love with him when I should have told her where to go.

Worst of all, she's someone VERY VERY high up in the Cavalier Health Club. I don't want to name names, but this little guy had filthy ears and I have no idea what the little guy was subjected to before we got him.

Gemima: is the SM scanning really vital, because I've read a lot of reports saying that A Rated scanned dogs can still have SM afflicted puppies (although it's much rarer).

teeny · 20-09-2009, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Sarah1985

I dont think i would be overly concerned about the mothers agression.It Could be the mother has being agressive because she had pups to protect. Plus Im sure Ive read somewhere that if you own 2 intact females they will tend to fight. I suppose it depends how aggressive they got though.

I have an auntie with 2 unrelated females intact living together very happily and know of several others.

Sarah1985 · 20-09-2009, 20:32

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Originally Posted by teeny

I have an auntie with 2 unrelated females intact living together very happily and know of several others.

oh. Ive been looking at getting a second dog and ive found a few places saying that. It Must be one of those doggy myths that go around. I suppose it will always depend on the dogs involved.

natnatt · 20-09-2009, 20:42

Hi there!
We bought a cavalier pup about 5 weeks. Got him home with all the k.c certificates ect..Then we went to the vet and they said that he had an hernia. I was devastated and felt cheated and did some research about it. When we asked the vet she said that it was very common, and to massage it everyday and if it needs surgery they will review in 6 months. Luckilly for us the vet has had another look look and has said that it is closing up and he shouldn't need an op. When I contacted the breeder she said that all the pups had these hernias and so did mum, and we were the only ones to complain!!!!! She got full reasurance from her vet that it was ok to breed from the bitch despite her previous hernia condition. Our vet said that she should have never had breed from her!! But to cut a long story short our puppy cavalier is the best thing ever and he has the best temperament ever. He is such a cutie and with or without the hernia we just wanted him no matter what! Good luck with your decision xx

Karis · 20-09-2009, 20:55

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Originally Posted by Sarah1985

oh. Ive been looking at getting a second dog and ive found a few places saying that. It Must be one of those doggy myths that go around. I suppose it will always depend on the dogs involved.

Can I just add my thoughts to this. It's really very true how much this depends on the dogs. As Lottie told me, you can never guarantee that any dog will behave in any way, and they're all individuals.

Harley loves to play fight while Zach isn't at all interested.

Get another dog. The little guys love it!

maryjane · 20-09-2009, 22:03

Well after phoning my vet, who has agreed to check puppy prior to picking her up, he told me that it is very common and wont affect the health of the puppy, I dont intend to breed, so have told breeder this, So am having the puppy and am really excited!! thanks for all your imput and pms. It is much appreciated. Enid

natnatt · 21-09-2009, 08:18

Thats great news! Have fun with your new puppy! When will he be ready? xx

Karis · 21-09-2009, 10:02

YAY. New cavvie puppy!!!

Excitement! We want pics when you've got your little chap!

natnatt · 21-09-2009, 13:26

how do you put pics on! Tried to put some on of our cavalier pup and it wont let me!!!

Karis · 21-09-2009, 13:52

You have to link to something like Facebook or one of the photo storage applications...