[superblade1!]

I'm sick of people telling me I should go green, use energy saving lightbulbs ect..

It's one of the minor things on my mind that this country should be concentrating on. So what if this country gets a few degrees warmer, I'd like that to happen!

[Greybeard]

Hard luck mate....temps in this part of the world look set to decline for a decade or so

[Blade73]

The bloke has a point, we're a 5th the size of china and do they give a ****. So why should we suffer.

[tone1]

Who gives a monkeys,I dont.

[Pidgeon]

It's all bull.

30 years ago they were saying we were on the verge of an ice age.

also If the UK was to become "Carbon Neutral" which it never will. We are only 1/100th of the population of the earth and it will do bugger all.

[Phanerothyme]

If you aren't actually going to find out about the possible effects of global climate destabilisation, and merely think that climate change means slightly warmer weather, then why bother thinking about it at all? You're wasting your time.

We don't know for sure whether man-made climate change exists, (although there is a large scientific consensus that it does exist) or whether it is going to catapult the global weather system into chaos or not.

We have two choices, essentially, as individuals, communities, countries and the world as a whole.

1 - DO NOTHING
2 - DO SOMETHING

and two possibilities regarding climate change

A - IT IS CODSWALLOP
B - IT IS AN IMPENDING GLOBAL CATASTROPHE OF UNIMAGINABLE PROPORTIONS

Now I'm sure we all hope it is A. And if it is, and we DO NOTHING - then quids in, everyone's a winner.

Of course even if A is true we could still DO SOMETHING, and basically spend a lot of money fixing something that wasn't broken. Not clever, but not catastrophic by any means.

BUT, what if B is true. If B is true and we DO SOMETHING, then quids in, everyone's a winner - it's expensive, but we have avoided a global catastrophe, and we can all pat ourselves on the back.

BUT if B is true and we DO NOTHING - then we have a GLOBAL CATASTROPHE OF UNIMAGINABLE PROPORTIONS.

Which I think you'll agree is not a good thing.

The worst consequence of DOING SOMETHING is a hefty bill at the end of the century.

The worst consequence of DOING NOTHING will be much, much worse.

Where do you suppose the smart money would go?

[hard2miss]

Wow this is like the Americans not believing in evolution. I take it you lot are all top notch scientists then and have trawled though all the data because this is something if we do get wrong we are all screwed.

And talking of China and India not cleaning up so why should we, well we started the all Industrial age and we have had it good and done enough damage to get us where we are now without them. At the moment they are just starting out, even if they are now the biggest polluters its upto us to lead by example and together learn ways to do it cleaner.

[Crayfish]

There is more than global warming at stake. Over 90% of the forests and fish stocks humans used to enjoy are gone, and most of the remaining 10% are being unsustainably exploited by our present, vast global population.

Read up on ecological issues before you reject them. There is controversy over global warming because it is so complex that no one can predict it reliably. The consequences of cutting down the last forests or taking the last fish out of the sea are much easier to imagine. And it is because of people's choices and actions that this is happening.

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by Blade73

The bloke has a point, we're a 5th the size of china and do they give a ****. So why should we suffer.

Yes but...the per capita CO2 emmissions figure for China is 2.6 tonnes per 1000 people, for the UK the figure is 9 tonnes per 1000 people. so who is the more profligate ?

For the US it's 19 tonnes/1000 and for India 0.9 tonnes/1000

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/en...ons-per-capita

[Blade73]

Originally Posted by Crayfish

There is more than global warming at stake. Over 90% of the forests and fish stocks humans used to enjoy are gone, and most of the remaining 10% are being unsustainably exploited by our present, vast global population.

Read up on ecological issues before you reject them. There is controversy over global warming because it is so complex that no one can predict it reliably. The consequences of cutting down the last forests or taking the last fish out of the sea are much easier to imagine. And it is because of people's choices and actions that this is happening.

Such a muppet we didn't know the damage the revolution caused 200 years ago, we do now but they don't give a ****. Lets face it we're a small fish in a big pond now. Unless India and china tow the line nothing we do will make much of a difference and the sad thing is accordding to reports it will affect them most

[retep]

I've only put the central heating on and all of a sudden there's a thread on global warming.

[superblade1!]

At the end of the day, nothing realy is going to change. The world would not be able to function with out all the dirty energy. But oh well, I'm not worried

[Karis]

Originally Posted by retep

I've only put the central heating on and all of a sudden there's a thread on global warming.

Quick! Turn it off again. Turn it off!!! Lol

[Tomm06]

Couldn't give a fig roll

I like all this about cars and the scrappage scheme, eco friendly, wanting everyone to have a new car. I reckon, they should take my car for free, scrap it, and give me the new model, lowest spec, for free, fair swap and safe for the environment

[superblade1!]

DIESEL ALL THE WAY!!.............calm down the eco warriors, im joking!!

[cloudybay]

Originally Posted by Crayfish

There is more than global warming at stake. Over 90% of the forests and fish stocks humans used to enjoy are gone, and most of the remaining 10% are being unsustainably exploited by our present, vast global population.

Read up on ecological issues before you reject them. There is controversy over global warming because it is so complex that no one can predict it reliably. The consequences of cutting down the last forests or taking the last fish out of the sea are much easier to imagine. And it is because of people's choices and actions that this is happening.

Spot on. It's known as the great climate change hijack. I essence, all we need to do is stop breeding ourselves out of existence and stop chopping down the rain forrests

[happyhippy]

What I can never understand is how asking people to reduce their energy usage means that they pay more .....

What would really help though, would be for all the people who work in offices to turn their damn PCs AND monitors off at lunchtime, and when they go home in the evening. I honestly dread to think of how much wasted energy results because of this.

Just because you're not paying the electricity bill doesn't mean that you're not wasting electricity. All we greenies ask is that people use energy responsibly. We don't want to return to the Stone age, or give up our luxuries, but just use the stuff responsibly!

[happyhippy]

Originally Posted by cloudybay

Spot on. It's known as the great climate change hijack. I essence, all we need to do is stop breeding ourselves out of existence and stop chopping down the rain forrests

The thing is though, the second point is precisely one of the reasons why we have climate change.

[hard2miss]

In the last 50 years we have chopped down a third of the rain forrest, and look what we are like now, just imagine if we did another third in the next 50 or less what the world will be like.

Could we get all tho's who don't care about the plannet against a big wall and shoot them all and then maybe the population drop may give us a bit of lea way to try turn it around.

[killa_ted]

the damage is done now so i say screw it lets use it all up