[Fala]

I am Sheffield born and now live in the U.S. I have been trying to discover the origins of Attercliffe, Carbrook and Brightside. Does anyone know the meanings of the names?

[Fala]

Does anyone know the origin of the names Attercliffe, Carbrook and Brightside?

[David Bowler]

I think I read somewhere about this and It`s quite simple really, If you look down the valley at Attercliffe you see a "Cliff on the left where wincobank is, so It`s "at the cliffe" Carbrook is the name of a stram that has now gone, Brightside is the "Brightside of the valley" note where the sun rises.

Don`t quote me but I`m sure thats right.

[Abdul]

Thanks for the info David.

As regards Brightside, I've read different views - one being that is the 'sunny side' of the valley as you mentioned; the second is that the area was named after a certain General Bright. I'm not quite sure what his contribution to society was yet...

[toms]

I think Attercliffe comes from"otter cliffe", where the otters were seen frequently years ago

[Abdul]

A quick google search for Brightside brings up the following:

1644 AD - English civil war. Sheffield Castle besieged and conquered by Parliamentary army, including John Bright of Carbrook Hall and Kelham Homer, the Town’s Armourer.

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The Carbrook Hall Hotel, yet another pub on Attercliffe Common, is reputed to be the City's most haunted public house. Built in 1623 by the Bright family, it was Colonel John Bright of Cromwell's army who rode to York for help when Sheffield Castle was threatened by Royalists troops.

[tiffy]

http://www.carbrookhall.co.uk/

http://www.hauntedinns.co.uk/carbrook_hotel.htm

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/

Hope these are helpful

[Michael_W]

This link might help Fala :
Sheffield Local History Material
Includes quite a few interesting Sheffield history articles for anyone interested, I think I have posted this link a couple of times before

[Indigogo]

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[pietro]

Attercliffe's Hilltop Chapel

How many people on their mad dash, to Meadowhall, realise they are passing within yards of one of Sheffields oldest buildings.

Built in 1629, funded mainly by John Bright of nearby Carbrook Hall. This would remain Attercliffe's sole Aglican church for the next two hundred years.


http://img42.photobucket.com/albums/...cliffe_023.jpg

[playman]

The name Attercliffe is derived from the village at the cliff, the cliff in question being at the bend in the river don just below where christ church used to standin the Domesday survey it was written as Aterclive.

Carbrook is derived from saxon or celtic for a marshy or meadow stream, the carr brook ran behind the old pheasant Inn in the 18th century.

Brightside is derived from Briks ploughed land and is a very ancient village. In the time of henry VI the name was written as Brekesherth, for in a deed of that time Thomas De Furnival gave to the monks of Worksop 5 marks yearly from his mills at brekesherth. Also at this date, John Brekesherd was a plaintiff respecting lands in Sheffield, Kimberworth, Tinsley and Brinsford ( Brincliffe ). In another deed during the reign of Elizabeth I, Brightside was written as Brixard.

[Abdul]

Thanks for the info pietro.

Originally posted by pietro
Attercliffe's Hilltop Chapel

How many people on their mad dash, to Meadowhall, realise they are passing within yards of one of Sheffields oldest buildings.

Oh I do, as mentioned in this post

I was in the area yesterday afternoon, so I went looking for the grave of Benjamin Huntsman - it's in quite a state, after 200 years of Sheffield weather

[pietro]

As quoted by Abdul. Oh, I do

Glad to see I'm not on my own Abdul, the usual reply is "what, where".
This used to be my playground in the 1960's, when we were visiting my grandparents house in the next street.

Apart from Terry Street Rec. this was the only bit of green space around there.

[Abdul]

I used to play there too...in the 1980s, before the SYTPE changed the 17 bus route to turn left at the top of Upwell Street to go Meadowhall, instead of going right towards town.

One dark evening, a few of us went into the chapel as a dare and I remember the biggest lad of the group promising to kill anyone who shut the door behind him.

So of course we shut it, locking him in...and ran for our lives

Happy days...


You mention this was one of the few green spaces around, but I remember in the 1980s there was a lot more space to play in (in fact, there was so much open land, gypsies moved in with caravans!)

What happened between the 60s and the 80s to increase the amount of open space? Was it the slum clearances of Attercliffe?

[Plain Talker]

Originally posted by Abdul

You mention this was one of the few green spaces around, but I remember in the 1980s there was a lot more space to play in (in fact, there was so much open land, gypsies moved in with caravans!)

What happened between the 60s and the 80s to increase the amount of open space? Was it the slum clearances of Attercliffe?

yes, abdul,

there was a lot of clearance around attercliffe, darnall, carbrook and brightside, from the late 60's through to the mid 70's
brightside and darnall went first, then the maltby street and banners vicinity (near doctor John worrall school) and that side of attercliffe, and in the early mid 70's the carbrook school side of attercliffe was razed.

This was the area my grandparents brought up my mother and her siblings. My grandpa's house was on Carltonville road, which ran parallell with terry street, one road either side of carbrook school. my grandpa's house was where the arena car-park is now.

most of the housing in that area was mid 19th century terraces (1840's to 1860/70's) built to house the steelworkers like my grandfather. most of it was very dilapidated, and had no indoor sanitation.

My grandpa's house had a big brown shallow pot sink in the offshot scullery-type kitchen, with a solitary tap, that came out of thh wall. the sink always smelled of old, stewed tea-leaves. I cannot smell tea to this day without memories of my grandpa being evoked.

I remember the missing floorboards under the oilcase (lino) on the back bedrom floor. i remember the view over grimy rooftops, to the massive sheds of the steelworks, beyond.

My aunt and uncle's first home was on fleet street, brightside. they didn't move very far from the area where my aunt was brought up.

Another aunt lived in a yard just round the back of Banners (on the "town" side) near a church or similar building which was a carpet shop in the late 60's early 70's just on the corner. (i think it was a shirland, but not Shirland Road. it stood back a ways at teh junction of two roads, behind banners..?)

PT

[pietro]

Hi PT, Abdul

Bring back the good old days.

My grandparents lived in Bradford Street, in a 2 up 2 down, no offshot kitchen. Somehow they managed to raise five children in the house. The house had one cold tap. a shared outside loo (whtewashed of course) with the obligatory squares of newspaper on the nail on the back of the door. In the back yard , always draped with washing, there was everthing from old bikes, motorbikes, a wringer and a chicken coop where they kept chickens, this by the way was in the mid 1960's.

I cannot remember a tin bath hanging on the wall, there must have been one somewhere, possibly in the cellar along with the coal. All the foodstuffs where kept on the cellar head, which always seeemed to have a damp smell about it.

Hanging outside, by the back door, there would be a bunch of seaweed . I know what it was for but do you.

What always struck me as a small child, was the front room. It was never ever used. It was full of the best furniture, even a square of carpet but everybody would be crammed into the back room/kitchen, especially on a Saturday afternoon to watch the wrestling or the hoss racing, as my grandad used to say.

Yes, bring back the good old days.

[pietro]

As quoted by PT Another aunt lived in a yard just round the back of Banners (on the "town" side) near a church or similar building which was a carpet shop in the late 60's early 70's just on the corner. (i think it was a shirland, but not Shirland Road. it stood back a ways at teh junction of two roads, behind banners..?)

Hello PT

Could this be your church?. I seem to remember in the 70's it was a carpet showroom. I may be wrong but I'm sure the sign above the door said that it was Banners Carpet Department.

I also remember the ice cream van that stood on the bottom corner, at the junction of Attercliffe Common and the fruit and veg barrow on the opposite corner.

http://www.picturesheffield.com/cgi-...=sheff.id=7970

[Plain Talker]

wow, pietro,

yes, i do believe that could be the very church; the shape of the church and the junction layout both look familiar.

my aunt lived on the road that goes off to the right, a few doors down from the church.
I have seen some pictures on this archive. i never thought that there'd be a photo of that street (duh!). goodness me.

I am off back onto that site to see if there might be a picture of my mum's old street on there.

PT

[Abdul]

Many thanks for your contributions, PT and Pietro

My family lived on Fitzmaurice Road in Darnall at the time of my birth (mid 1970s), but moved to Firth Park within the year. The new house had three bedrooms, a bathroom, an attic and a garden, making it ideal for my parents and their three children (my father loved gardening and still does). Many of my parents' friends chose to stay in the area, and were provided with council houses on the Uttley Road estate, just off Worksop Road.

My dad and my grandfather, both steelworkers, tell me there was no bathroom at the old house, so once a week they'd go to the old Attercliffe swimming pool (by the Don Valley Stadium) and pay a fee of something like one and-a-half shillings for a bath, inclusive of soap and towel.

[Ned Ludd]

Yes, Otter Cliff it was. A quite literal meaning much like Salmon Pastures............takes you back to the days when a law stated that there was a limit to the number of days that an apprentice could be fed Salmon.
Anyone seen that old photo of Attercliffe which shows a woman standing outside an ancient country cottage..incredible.