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Old 21-08-2009, 15:15   #1
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I ask because my neighbours house has been on the market for about 4-5 months (in Ecclesall) and there had been very little interest, with ony 3 people viewing the house causing him to drop the price by 10%.
My neighbour now say's that 6 people have been to see it in the last two weeks and that he has had his first offer.

Any estate agents out there?
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Old 21-08-2009, 15:18   #2
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I ask because my neighbours house has been on the market for about 4-5 months (in Ecclesall) and there had been very little interest, with ony 3 people viewing the house causing him to drop the price by 10%.
My neighbour now say's that 6 people have been to see it in the last two weeks and that he has had his first offer.

Any estate agents out there?
Could the 10% drop in price have something to do with it?
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Old 21-08-2009, 15:23   #3
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Could the 10% drop in price have something to do with it?
Doubt it as he dropped the price months ago.
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Old 21-08-2009, 16:01   #4
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I believe things are startint to pick up but slowly,I had no one in 6 months but have now had 6 in the last 4 weeks.
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Old 21-08-2009, 16:22   #5
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I ask because my neighbours house has been on the market for about 4-5 months (in Ecclesall) and there had been very little interest, with ony 3 people viewing the house causing him to drop the price by 10%.
My neighbour now say's that 6 people have been to see it in the last two weeks and that he has had his first offer.

Any estate agents out there?
Yes it is moving, chatting to a solicitor today had no interest in the last 12 months, has had 4 viewings in the last week.
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Old 21-08-2009, 16:25   #6
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I ask because my neighbours house has been on the market for about 4-5 months (in Ecclesall) and there had been very little interest, with ony 3 people viewing the house causing him to drop the price by 10%.
My neighbour now say's that 6 people have been to see it in the last two weeks and that he has had his first offer.

Any estate agents out there?
Yeh things seem to be on the up, people who waited for the market to 'bottom out' are missing out as the prices are starting to climb.
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Old 21-08-2009, 20:00   #7
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Prices have been rising and still may do so for a short period but would be buyers should read this:

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bulltrap.asp

It's very short but it basically sums up what I think we are seeing at the moment. If you don't agree, fair enough, but you then must have reasons behind why you think prices have bottomed and are going to remain flat or rise in the long term.
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Old 21-08-2009, 20:28   #8
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So what are you saying Dimitri? We are looking to buy seriously in SW of city and things seem to be going pretty quickly when desirable which has surprised us? Surely with rise in unemployment, recession still abound things aren't going to rocket just yet or are they? Would it be wise to wait? Or do we get on board and get buying like some seem to be. Some houses we've thought were suitable in S8 have gone in days!
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Old 21-08-2009, 22:18   #9
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So what are you saying Dimitri? We are looking to buy seriously in SW of city and things seem to be going pretty quickly when desirable which has surprised us? Surely with rise in unemployment, recession still abound things aren't going to rocket just yet or are they? Would it be wise to wait? Or do we get on board and get buying like some seem to be. Some houses we've thought were suitable in S8 have gone in days!
Here are some articles on the situation which sum it up far better than I can:

http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-ch...ces-93308.aspx

http://www.moneyweek.com/investments...art-14664.aspx Note this sentence from this article, 'we are entering a bull trap, just as we did in 1991'.Bull traps always happen in house price crashes, the term hasn't been created to explain away the current rise in prices.


I am also looking to buy but am waiting until we are at the bottom or at least a lot closer to the bottom. The best thing you can do is look into the situation yourself before you come up with your decision - definitely don't listen purely to the mainstream media, try sites like Money Week and House Price Crash. The one thing to definitely bear in mind though, is that if you are going to wait, the wait could be very long. For instance we may need to end up waiting until next May/June before prices are back to this May/June's prices.
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Old 22-08-2009, 08:37   #10
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Here are some articles on the situation which sum it up far better than I can:

I am also looking to buy but am waiting until we are at the bottom or at least a lot closer to the bottom. don't listen purely to the mainstream media, The one thing to definitely bear in mind though, is that if you are going to wait, the wait could be very long. For instance we may need to end up waiting until next May/June before prices are back to this May/June's prices.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing,if sellers are realistic ie reduce the price they would have received at the peak of the market in 2007, by 20% many properties are selling.
With the demand for private housing and assisted housing public sector housing associations council etc been so high, it is difficult to predict.
If we have to wait until next May or June before prices or back to May or June levels of this year why wait, as you will be paying the same price.
The one and only reason for waiting is that it may enable you to raise a larger deposit.
You will always have the prophets of doom & gloom and the opposite where everything is wonderful.How many so called "EXPERTS" in the media predicted two massive UK banking groups becoming in effect bankrupt.
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Old 22-08-2009, 12:02   #11
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing,if sellers are realistic ie reduce the price they would have received at the peak of the market in 2007, by 20% many properties are selling.
With the demand for private housing and assisted housing public sector housing associations council etc been so high, it is difficult to predict.
If we have to wait until next May or June before prices or back to May or June levels of this year why wait, as you will be paying the same price.
The one and only reason for waiting is that it may enable you to raise a larger deposit.
I didn't say wait until May/June next year and then buy, I was pointing out to Jemson the timescales he will be looking at if he does decide to wait out the bull trap. It would still be a better time to buy as sellers sentiment is unlikely to be as bullish and so you will have more chance of negotiating a lower price.

I reckon that in 10 months time, would be buyers will be in the home stretch and prices will be heading downwards for a good couple of years, barring the odd month here and there of nominal rises. Either that or we will be on the dole but either way it still doesn't make buying now a good idea (if you are waiting for the bottom)

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You will always have the prophets of doom & gloom and the opposite where everything is wonderful.How many so called "EXPERTS" in the media predicted two massive UK banking groups becoming in effect bankrupt.
It's easy to dismiss an argument and say it's not going to happen because it's too extreme, but what do you think then? If you don't agree that prices will begin to fall again pretty soon, what are your reasons?

The 'experts' you refer to are mostly bullish and think that house prices have bottomed and are going to rise. If they didn't get it right before, what makes you think they have got it right this time?
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Old 22-08-2009, 19:25   #12
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I think what is happening in S8, which is also where are trying to buy, is that there isn't that many nice properties on the market. When a nice one does come up it is in demand as there just aren't enough of them and therefore you end up in a bidding war to get it. We have worked out what we think a house is worth and been prepared to offer more if it is somewhere we really like and would be happy to stay but we have been outbid where we could have gone higher but decided the house really wasn't worth it.

I think you have to think about what the house is worth but be prepared to pay a bit more if you really like it. Some people only do the former and they will probably never buy a house.
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Old 22-08-2009, 20:51   #13
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It does seem to be on the move again atm, which is good news for some of us, if not for the people hoping for the market to drop even further. Was chatting to an agent today and was told that after a long period where nothing much was moving, business has picked up, viewings are on the increase and they've even closed a couple of sales this week alone.

Of course, he could just have been bigging it up, but there was no reason to, to me, as I'm not in the market to buy or sell atm.

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Old 23-08-2009, 00:44   #14
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I think you have to think about what the house is worth but be prepared to pay a bit more if you really like it. Some people only do the former and they will probably never buy a house.
I think you are still caught in pre-2007 thinking Corbyn. People then generally had to pay more than what a house was 'worth' just as they are now but just like then this won't last - in fact it could be a few weeks or months before prices start falling again. If you want to buy go for it, but your house is almost certainly going to be 'worth' a lot less in 2/3 years time if not before that.
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Old 23-08-2009, 00:48   #15
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It does seem to be on the move again atm, which is good news for some of us, if not for the people hoping for the market to drop even further. Was chatting to an agent today and was told that after a long period where nothing much was moving, business has picked up, viewings are on the increase and they've even closed a couple of sales this week alone.

Of course, he could just have been bigging it up, but there was no reason to, to me, as I'm not in the market to buy or sell atm.
He isn't bigging it up, houses are selling again but as I have already mentioned previously, the question is whether this signals the bottom of the market, or whether it is a bull trap (prices will rise for a short time and then begin falling again). Make your own decision but house prices rising in the long term because 'they are rising now' doesn't hold much weight for me.
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Old 23-08-2009, 10:20   #16
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Make your own decision but house prices rising in the long term because 'they are rising now' doesn't hold much weight for me.
Did I say it should? I'm not interested for myself, as the only way I'll be leaving here is in a box, though hopefully not for a few years yet But obviously it's disappointing that my property is worth less than a few years ago, in the event that I might have been considering equity release, for instance.
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Old 23-08-2009, 11:12   #17
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Equity release is just a fancy phrase for borrowing money and securing it against the very thing you need to live in until you leave it in a box.
I can't see why anyone who owns their house would be upset at falling prices.
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Old 23-08-2009, 11:13   #18
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I can't see why anyone who owns their house would be upset at falling prices.
ermmm? why can't you?

The only people who'd be pleased at falling property value are people who want to buy a house, imo.
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Old 23-08-2009, 11:22   #19
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If you already own your house and don't intend to move then it should make no difference to you, so you should be neither pleased nor displeased.
Of course you might have children who intend to buy or move at some point, so then you'd be pleased if prices were falling.

Increased house prices benefit no one except property developers and investors.
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Old 23-08-2009, 11:25   #20
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If you already own your house and don't intend to move then it should make no difference to you, so you should be neither pleased nor displeased.
Of course you might have children who intend to buy or move at some point, so then you'd be pleased if prices were falling.

Increased house prices benefit no one except property developers and investors.
It's Sunday and my one day off work and I'm not intending to get into one of those pointless Cyclone-must-prove-himself-right arguments, so I'll give in at the start and say Yes, dear, I'm sure you're right
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