Another man beaten to death by youths

alchresearch · 02-06-2009, 10:12

The mother of a man kicked to death by a 10-strong gang has described her son as a "mild-mannered boy".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/8076846.stm

I wanted to post this in the Loxley thread, because someone posted that this kind of thing is rare, and I disagreed and said that it wasn't. It's just that some incidents get reported nationally, some don't. The thread is locked BTW.

There's another similar incident here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8077679.stm

Randy · 02-06-2009, 13:17

There's 60 million people in this country and probably one of these murders only happens every couple of months and then the media hysterically rattles on about how Britain is crime ridden and it's not safe to walk the streets. The only reason people perceive such incidents as common is because of the media frenzy.

So yes, this type of incident is very rare and you're still wrong.

dazzler4 · 02-06-2009, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Randy

There's 60 million people in this country and probably one of these murders only happens every couple of months and then the media hysterically rattles on about how Britain is crime ridden and it's not safe to walk the streets. The only reason people perceive such incidents as common is because of the media frenzy.

So yes, this type of incident is very rare and you're still wrong.

sure its rare, but its still happening. sure there there is a media frenzy when it leads to a death but what i ask is just how many assaults that dont result in a death get press coverage?

There is an issue with youth crime that needs to be tackled, head on.

at least the yobs responsible for this are of age that they will get a proper sentence.

Hallamton · 02-06-2009, 13:38

I like your bold -

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described her son as a "mild-mannered boy"

. She's not exactly going to call him anything else. Besides, the article goes on to explain that "being involved in a row with a group of men" - hardly mild-mannered is it?

alchresearch · 02-06-2009, 13:44

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So yes, this type of incident is very rare and you're still wrong.

Once a month is not rare in my book.

One only hopes that you don't have a relative beaten to death in the same way. I wonder who'd be crying for a change in the law then.

Hallamton · 02-06-2009, 13:44

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sure its rare, but its still happening. sure there there is a media frenzy when it leads to a death but what i ask is just how many assaults that dont result in a death get press coverage?

There is an issue with youth crime that needs to be tackled, head on.

at least the yobs responsible for this are of age that they will get a proper sentence.

The "issue" with youth crime is that it's something the media have latched on to and exploited. The last 50 years has seen similar amounts of crime that falls into the category of youth crime, the only difference being that media sources have increased and are listened to as fact.

pem123 · 02-06-2009, 13:59

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Once a month is not rare in my book.

One only hopes that you don't have a relative beaten to death in the same way. I wonder who'd be crying for a change in the law then.

What kind of a change in the law do you propose?

Hallamton · 02-06-2009, 14:05

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Once a month is not rare in my book.

One only hopes that you don't have a relative beaten to death in the same way. I wonder who'd be crying for a change in the law then.

You could apply that method of thought to anything though.

What way was the man beaten to death? The only source you've provided was a media source that quotes the mans mother - it's hardly fact is it. I'd be interested to see what provoked the murder.

As Pem asked, what law would you change?

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:13

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What kind of a change in the law do you propose?

start by hanging murderer,s

pem123 · 02-06-2009, 14:17

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start by hanging murderer,s

Yeah cos that would stop most of them

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:20

it would stop them reoffending

Hallamton · 02-06-2009, 14:21

With that logic, why don't we kill every single prisoner to stop all reoffending. Or we could wipe out the human race and put a stop to crime?

pem123 · 02-06-2009, 14:23

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it would stop them reoffending

Wouldn't you rather focus on initial prevention of offences?

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:29

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Wouldn't you rather focus on initial prevention of offences?

prevention the offenders dont give a toss about people or the law i think its a bit much when a man tells youths to keep the noise down and gets killed for his trouble

pem123 · 02-06-2009, 14:31

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prevention the offenders dont give a toss about people or the law i think its a bit much when a man tells youths to keep the noise down and gets killed for his trouble

Yes it is a bit much, but whether those that did it get hanged or go to prison, it ain't gonna bring the poor chap back is it?

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:42

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Yes it is a bit much, but whether those that did it get hanged or go to prison, it ain't gonna bring the poor chap back is it?

no but the murderer,s wont be back on the streets laughing about it and bragging to their mates they dont even get locked up for life if the law wont hang murderer,s at least let life mean life no time off stay in jail till they die

Hallamton · 02-06-2009, 14:44

So you think that someone should be judged by one action in their life, for the rest of their life?

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:50

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So you think that someone should be judged by one action in their life, for the rest of their life?

yes i do, we are not talking dropping litter were talking of people taking lives and not by accident but by sheer violence. do you think murderers, sex fiends etc should be released back into soceity?

pem123 · 02-06-2009, 14:54

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no but the murderer,s wont be back on the streets laughing about it and bragging to their mates they dont even get locked up for life if the law wont hang murderer,s at least let life mean life no time off stay in jail till they die

If someone commits a murder when aged 18, by the time they get out they're gonna be at least in their mid 30s, so they aren't likely to find the same old mates there to meet up and laugh about things with

blurt · 02-06-2009, 14:56

and what of these who did this should they be released
The post-mortem examination revealed Baby P had suffered:

• Eight broken ribs and a broken back, with another area of bleeding around the spine at neck level.

• Numerous bruises, cuts and abrasions, including a deep tear to his left ear lobe, which had been pulled away from his head.

• Severe lacerations to the top of his head, including a large gouge which could have been caused by a dog bite.

• Blackened finger- and toenails, with several nails missing; the middle finger of his right hand was without a nail and its tip was also missing, as if it had been sliced off.

• A tear to his fraenulum, the strip of skin between the middle of the upper lip and the gum, which had partially healed.

• One of his front teeth had also been knocked out and was found in his colon. He had swallowed it.