Benefits mother living with jobless boyfriend is pregnant with triplets...

Wizzzard · 10-02-2009, 20:25

I was looking for other people's opinions from this article in the news.

The father of the triplets stated 'Sian wants me to be at home with her until the babies are older, so I'll be signing on.'

With comments like this I think the whole family has the wrong idea but I wondered what other people's thoughts were on the whole article.

Ouija · 10-02-2009, 20:30

It's hard to comprehend how a couple who didn't want more children could not use contraception and then say "it just happened". Since they'd already had one, they can hardly argue that they didn't realise the probable outcome of not taking precautions.

And why she would want to risk another pregnancy with a man who doesn't even support the first child, is beyond me. It seems, at the very least, lacking in self respect. If he isn't forking out for the first, how much is he going to pay for four?!

RozeePozee · 10-02-2009, 20:31

Human beings breed, It's a fact of nature.

She'll need all the help she can get.

dan_999uk · 10-02-2009, 20:36

Oh, the Daily Mail, what a surprise.

On a tangent I was thinking about the American woman who had octuplets in addition to the half a dozen or so kids she already had, and thinking her husband must have ever such a well paid job.

depoix · 10-02-2009, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Wizzzard

I was looking for other people's opinions from this article in the news.

The father of the triplets stated 'Sian wants me to be at home with her until the babies are older, so I'll be signing on.'

With comments like this I think the whole family has the wrong idea but I wondered what other people's thoughts were on the whole article.

cant see the harm in it,immigrants get paid for sitting at home so why cant he as a tax payer claim what he is due to

did you start this thread just to wind folk up about people signing on?

Wizzzard · 10-02-2009, 20:40

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Originally Posted by dan_999uk

Oh, the Daily Mail, what a surprise.

On a tangent I was thinking about the American woman who had octuplets in addition to the half a dozen or so kids she already had, and thinking her husband must have ever such a well paid job.

I realise that the headline is weighted however it doesn't make the story any less true.

Smithster · 10-02-2009, 20:41

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Miss Robbins admitted that, although she and Mr Thomas did not want a baby, they had not been using contraception. She said: 'It just happened.'

What the hell did she expect!?!?!? The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me!

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She is receiving benefits of £1,126 a month

It really is little wonder that so many people are hacked off with the benfits system in this country. Until I was recently made redundant I was working my ass off for not much more than this, mostly due to the amount of tax I was paying in to the system. A lot of people I know who work full-time don't even earn this much. Now I find myself unemployed, having been paying tax for over 15 years, and all I get is £240 a month from JSA which doesn't even cover my bills, let alone the mortgage.

I give up. Am I living in a real-life version of the Truman Show?

Wizzzard · 10-02-2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by depoix

cant see the harm in it,immigrants get paid for sitting at home so why cant he as a tax payer claim what he is due to

did you start this thread just to wind folk up about people signing on?

He's not a taxpayer , he's jobless. The dole is meant to give people some kind of income while LOOKING for work. It's not there to provide paternity pay.

Bonny · 10-02-2009, 20:59

She had her first child when she was still at school - what happened to the law on underage sex?

As a single teen mum getting that amount in benefits there's absolutely no way she could get a job paying that amount of money and that's where the benefit system in this country is totally wrong. And what will happen if/when she gets home with triplets? Her benefits will increase and she'll probably get SureStart lump sum payments to cover the purchase of baby things.

As an aside, I certainy wouldn't want to try and cope with tiplets on top of caring for a toddler, it's going to be hard work. But she said in 15 years those kids will be going out doing the same as she has done and she'll be home looking after their kids? There's obviously no concept here of working for a living, education and self-improvement.

cressida · 10-02-2009, 21:03

Can someone break this down for me, how much family credit, maternity allowance, - what's left over would be rent then -

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She is receiving benefits of £1,126 a month

Bonny · 10-02-2009, 21:08

The amount includes: rent, child benefit, family tax credit.

CottonTop · 10-02-2009, 21:09

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Originally Posted by dan_999uk

Oh, the Daily Mail, what a surprise.

On a tangent I was thinking about the American woman who had octuplets in addition to the half a dozen or so kids she already had, and thinking her husband must have ever such a well paid job.

She is a single mother and used invitro to get pregnant with this litter. Madness.

Ms Macbeth · 10-02-2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by cressida

Can someone break this down for me, it can't all be maternity allowance surely -

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She is receiving benefits of £1,126 a month

It will include Housing & Council tax benefit, child benefit, and child tax credit as well as her basic income support. Still more left to live on than many working folk and lots of pensioners.

The father of her first child should be contributing, and I'm amazed that the father of the triplets/Miss Robbins current partner can just choose to sign on? If the jobcentre staff read the article they'll see he doesn't intend to be an active 'jobseeker'. Isn't this the criterion for receiving benefit?

Have we gone too far down the line of rewarding anyone who produces children as an alternative to going out to work? I have no issues with single parenthood, or young mums, just with irresponsibility. I wonder who's been working to support Miss Robbins mum and her six kids?

evileva · 10-02-2009, 21:27

whats the point of the father working, no job he can get will pay more then what the dole will give them

Plain Talker · 10-02-2009, 21:31

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Originally Posted by CottonTop

She is a single mother and used invitro to get pregnant with this litter. Madness.

the clinic that did this are currently being investigated, as they have, apparently, contravened IVF rules about how many embryos may be re-implanted.

I'm not sure hoW the authorities over in the US will deal with this woman's situation, as I was given to understand that, if you were on "welfare", you didn't get any extra benefits for subsequent children conceived after the claim, only the ones you had/ were pregnant with when your claim commenced? (So how on earth does she support the SIX she has already borne, let alone this further eight!??!!)

I have to say, I do think that, as much as I disagree, generally, with the US system, in this case, that'd be a good rule to implement over here.

Zebra · 10-02-2009, 21:32

I find it remarkable, I have twins and yet I work. Those early days were hell on earth and paternity leave was far from sufficient so I can see how on one side the mother will need all the help she can get but should the taxpayer be the one to pay for it?
We got help from Homestart for a while, a volunteer arrangement and at no cost to the taxpayer.
I went back to work in a very minor capacity when our girls were 4 months then back to usual ( 20 hrs per week) when they turned 1.
Now our girls are 3 I work and I look after someone elses child part time and it's lovely.
If we managed with twins and friends of ours manage to work both on full time shifts with triplets - what's this couples excuse exactly?

Plain Talker · 10-02-2009, 21:45

You have a work ethic, though Zebra, you aren't content to sit on your backside, and let someone else carry you. You have squared up to your responsibilities.

I know someone who got pregnant before she'd even taken her o'levels, and quite literally, hadn't/hasn't done a hand's turn since... Including much to do with her child:- she was happy to allow others to fund the children, and bring them up "on her behalf", abdicating responsibility!

As my old mother would have said, "There's more work in a Junior Disprin!!"

babybel · 10-02-2009, 23:13

Is it just me that thinks if you can't afford to support yourself you have no right to bring others into the world in that situation also?

Digsy · 11-02-2009, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Wizzzard

He's not a taxpayer , he's jobless. The dole is meant to give people some kind of income while LOOKING for work. It's not there to provide paternity pay.

I'm guessing this thread is just a Wizzzard hunt.
Where we can slag off the less fortunate.
Or maybe this couple are not less fortunate, God bless them, I wish them and the kids the best of luck.

Oooh I mean those dole breeding scum of the earth that don't deserve the children they create, curse them.
BURN THEM, CRUCIFY THEM, we want a wizzzard hunt, we want a wizzzard hunt.

happyhippy · 11-02-2009, 03:10

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Originally Posted by Ms Macbeth

It will include Housing & Council tax benefit, child benefit, and child tax credit as well as her basic income support. Still more left to live on than many working folk and lots of pensioners.

If they don't have kids to look after, maybe, but certainly no more 'disposable income'.

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Originally Posted by Ms Macbeth

The father of her first child should be contributing,

There's another thread about the possibilities elsewhere in this forum .....

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Originally Posted by Ms Macbeth

and I'm amazed that the father of the triplets/Miss Robbins current partner can just choose to sign on? If the jobcentre staff read the article they'll see he doesn't intend to be an active 'jobseeker'. Isn't this the criterion for receiving benefit?

That can only be decided after a face to face interview, and not trial by media.

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Originally Posted by Ms Macbeth

Have we gone too far down the line of rewarding anyone who produces children as an alternative to going out to work? I have no issues with single parenthood, or young mums, just with irresponsibility. I wonder who's been working to support Miss Robbins mum and her six kids?

Hang on. We're talking about a potential multiple birth. As things stand, she has one child. Most of the benefits she 'receives' won't go to her. This is rather like the Afghan family from several months ago which the Daily Heil moaned about so much.

Don't get me wrong, there is a vast minority of people who may think that 'having kids on benefit' is a cash cow, but when all of a sudden they have to pay, they find it's different.