Do you trust the Labour government to get us out of the financial hole we're in? - Page 2

The Manager · 22-01-2009, 12:21

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Originally Posted by serapis

Look at it this way. Would you trust a ship’s captain who had: Sold all the lifeboats (GB selling our gold reserves against the advice of the bank of England). Denied There was an iceberg in the horizon (No return to boom and bust), then said the good ship HMS UK was tough enough to withstand it (UK Economy well placed to weather the financial storm while the world bank says UK will be harder hit than the EU). Then when the ship is sinking the Captain says he has a cunning plan on how to get us out of trouble.

Gordon Brown simple took the credit for the economic strength left by the Tory's, then when the money ran out he sold our gold reserves. He is not a prudent financial mind. He is nothing more than a fraud and a liar. He deserves to be run out of no.10.

Anyone else in my mind, even a Lib Dem .. Just let’s get this idiot out of power!

Great post

Scabbydog · 22-01-2009, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Tricky

No-one needs to be 'radical', they just need to have the bottle to take some difficult and unpopular decisions and to show some understanding of the actions that got us here and the actions that can get us out.

There's no evidence that the current Govt meet any of those criteria. The picture's far from rosy with the other two parties but at least they're not hamstrung by trying to patch up a broken legacy.

I think a pointer to Gordon Brown's character was revealed with the fiaso that followed his abolition of the 10p tax rate. At first he tried to portray it as a reduction in tax. Then of course people started to realise that the low paid would be badly hit, and we entered into this charade of making tax concessions to try to repair the damage. Not all the low paid received a concession that repaid their losses, and millions of more affluent people benefitted at their expense.
Of course the simple thing would have been to reverse the decision to do away with the 10p tax rate. But that would have required GB to admit that he was wrong. Instead the fiasco cost tax payer around £3billion in order to try to prop up his tattered reputation.
It is quite evident now that he is incapable of looking at a different approach to our current fiscal woes, because that would require him to admit that he had got it wrong.

Titanic99 · 22-01-2009, 18:51

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Originally Posted by masonsarmsfc

Labour government Seem to have lost the PLOT !!

Do you trust labour to sort this england of ours out? or is it time for them to go?

and can anyone else do any better anyway?

im just fed up with this government now

You don't have much choice as David (I agree with Gordon) cameron seems to agree with everything he says.

So your choice is either someone who is trying to sort it out or someone who hasn't got an idea in his head.

Indigenous · 22-01-2009, 20:32

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Originally Posted by Titanic99

You don't have much choice as David (I agree with Gordon) cameron seems to agree with everything he says.

So your choice is either someone who is trying to sort it out or someone who hasn't got an idea in his head.

Pardon?

Brown adopted Camerons last three policies because he hasn't got a clue what to do.

Watch this weeks PMQ'S, you might learn something

Titanic99 · 22-01-2009, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Indigenous

Pardon?

Brown adopted Camerons last three policies because he hasn't got a clue what to do.

Watch this weeks PMQ'S, you might learn something

So which parts of legislation has Cameron agreed to repeal cos I must have missed them!

Indigenous · 22-01-2009, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Titanic99

So which parts of legislation has Cameron agreed to repeal cos I must have missed them!

Well they're his ideas so I'd say none.

National loan guarantee Scheme.
Change terms of the Bank Recapitalisation.
Special liquidity Scheme.

Brown attacked these three ideas then introduced them as his own. no surprise there.

You can find PMQ'S on the BBC politics page (can't post a link yet).

8 minutes in.

If you need help with anything else just give me a shout

Beebop · 22-01-2009, 21:13

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Originally Posted by masonsarmsfc

Labour government Seem to have lost the PLOT !!

Do you trust labour to sort this england of ours out? or is it time for them to go?

and can anyone else do any better anyway?

im just fed up with this government now

So who would you replace New Labour with ???? I seem to be unable to find any reason to vote tory

Titanic99 · 22-01-2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by Indigenous

Well they're his ideas so I'd say none.

National loan guarantee Scheme.
Change terms of the Bank Recapitalisation.
Special liquidity Scheme.

Brown attacked these three ideas then introduced them as his own. no surprise there.

You can find PMQ'S on the BBC politics page (can't post a link yet).

8 minutes in.

If you need help with anything else just give me a shout

I thought I'd read somewhere that Labour had introduced over 3,000 new laws during their time in office, I'm sure Cameron can think of a few that need repealing. If not wouldn't that suggest they'd introduced some good legislation.

Rich · 22-01-2009, 21:42

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Originally Posted by masonsarmsfc

Labour government Seem to have lost the PLOT !!

Do you trust labour to sort this england of ours out? or is it time for them to go?

and can anyone else do any better anyway?

im just fed up with this government now

No! The credit crunch is mostly their fault in the bleedin' first place!

And yes Labour should resign as the Government of the United Kingdom, but let's face it who would do a better job? Nobody wants the Tories back in other than Daily Mail, Telegraph and Guardian readers, the Lib Dems aren't electable, and don't even get me started on the BNP!

Indigenous · 22-01-2009, 21:51

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Originally Posted by Rich

Nobody wants the Tories back in other than Daily Mail, Telegraph and Guardian readers

Are you sure about the Guardian readers, I thought they were all Champaign Socialists.

You know, You have it, we want it, when we've got it you can't have it.

Longcol · 22-01-2009, 23:30

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Originally Posted by Indigenous

Are you sure about the Guardian readers, I thought they were all Champaign Socialists.

You know, You have it, we want it, when we've got it you can't have it.

Grauniad readers can spell Champagne - but, alas, can't afford it.

Keith Rich · 23-01-2009, 08:29

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Originally Posted by masonsarmsfc

Labour government Seem to have lost the PLOT !!

Do you trust labour to sort this england of ours out? or is it time for them to go?

and can anyone else do any better anyway?

im just fed up with this government now

Its a world wide problem, not just Englands.

The problem has been caused by people borrowing money they can't afford to pay back to buy things they don't need, and greedy banks lending too much money in order to get lots of interest back.

Some good will come out of this because people may now start to realise that that greed is not good.

Tricky · 23-01-2009, 08:52

The rats are fleeing the sinking ship now. Today's article in the Independent by Hamish McRae (of HSBC) has a radical change of tune from previous articles which have tended to sit on the fence. Here are some choice quotes:

"...but we are seen to be in a worse mess even than the US. That is nothing much to do with the banking problems and all to do with the desperately weak underlying fiscal position. You remember all that "prudence with a purpose" stuff? Gordon Brown's reputation has been destroyed by these numbers, and it is very hard to see quite how the country's status as a borrower can be restored until there is a change of government."

"...I am afraid things will get worse before they get better. And the prime reason for that, as the exchanges recognise, will have been fiscal mismanagement on a monumental scale."

So it's one analyst from one bank (probably the most important global bank), but if it heralds a hardening of opinion from the finance industry generally, Gordon's deader than the deadest dodo.

Berberis · 23-01-2009, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Rich

No! The credit crunch is mostly their fault in the bleedin' first place!

And yes Labour should resign as the Government of the United Kingdom, but let's face it who would do a better job? Nobody wants the Tories back in other than Daily Mail, Telegraph and Guardian readers, the Lib Dems aren't electable, and don't even get me started on the BNP!

Sorry but your claims show your lack of any statistical facts or any understanding of the political mood of the country. The conservatives currently have a 14% lead on labour and have polled above labour almost consistently since early 2006.

No one wants labour, Gordon Brown knows this and thats why he bottled it when the election question was raised. Many people in the country want a Tory government to do what they are good at doing. Fixing the mess Labour leave behind.

Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor: January 2009

Conservative Party - 44%(+5)
New Labour - 30%(-5)
Liberal Democrat - 17%(+2)

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Keith Rich · 23-01-2009, 09:40

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Originally Posted by serapis

Sorry but your claims show your lack of any statistical facts or any understanding of the political mood of the country. The conservatives currently have a 14% lead on labour and have polled above labour almost consistently since early 2006.

No one wants labour, Gordon Brown knows this and thats why he bottled it when the election question was raised. Many people in the country want a Tory government to do what they are good at doing. Fixing the mess Labour leave behind.

Ipsos MORI’s monthly political monitor: January 2009

Conservative Party - 44%(+5)
New Labour - 30%(-5)
Liberal Democrat - 17%(+2)

Ref

The only thing the Tories are good at is making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else.

The foundations of the present problems were laid by M, Thatcher and R Reagan with their policy of greed is good.

Berberis · 23-01-2009, 09:43

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Originally Posted by Keith Rich

The only thing the Tories are good at is making the rich richer at the expense of everyone else.

The foundations of the present problems were laid by M, Thatcher and R Reagan with their policy of greed is good.

You are confusing real life politics with Hollywood my friend. The Greed is Good quote comes from the film Wall Street. You have a very selective look back in history too. One which even Labour party members would disagree with. I suggest you do some research.

Urien · 23-01-2009, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Rich

No! The credit crunch is mostly their fault in the bleedin' first place!

And yes Labour should resign as the Government of the United Kingdom, but let's face it who would do a better job? Nobody wants the Tories back in other than Daily Mail, Telegraph and Guardian readers, the Lib Dems aren't electable, and don't even get me started on the BNP!

What!!! the Guardian readers want the Tories back

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grafikhaus74 · 23-01-2009, 09:58

I'm sure Rich didn't mean Guardian. He was just wetting himself at joining in yet another thread where he could include the words 'Daily' and 'Mail'...

Keith Rich · 23-01-2009, 10:12

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Originally Posted by serapis

You are confusing real life politics with Hollywood my friend. The Greed is Good quote comes from the film Wall Street. You have a very selective look back in history too. One which even Labour party members would disagree with. I suggest you do some research.

The film was based on the government policy of greed is good.

Name one Labour party member who disagrees that the Tories are the party of the rich.

Berberis · 23-01-2009, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Keith Rich

The film was based on the government policy of greed is good.

For goodness sake put down the Daily Mail.

I don’t read the Daily Mail

I do suggest you read something other than the socialist worker though