[Dimitri 11]

Originally Posted by L00b

Don't kid yourself for believing one minute, that the working and middle class aren't yet again going to sponge off most of the debt

What do you mean by yet again? Do you mean as in this happens every time there is a recession or it happens all the time?

There are some working class people who 'sponge' off the state and make no effort to find a job but the majority don't. It's these people that will soon have to claim benefits but there will be no legal alternative, some people will simply not be able to find work. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean but what do you think they should do, people have to get cash somehow?

[green]

Originally Posted by anarchist

The 9mm Luger and the glass of Schnapps is the honourable way.

If only......

[L00b]

Originally Posted by Dimitri 82

What do you mean by yet again? Do you mean as in this happens every time there is a recession or it happens all the time?

There are some working class people who 'sponge' off the state and make no effort to find a job but the majority don't. It's these people that will soon have to claim benefits but there will be no legal alternative, some people will simply not be able to find work. Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean but what do you think they should do, people have to get cash somehow?

Sponge off the debt = paying it off.

And yes, with enough hindsight and a high enough level of generalisation (albeit grounded in historical fact), this financial Left wing/Right wing financial 'ping-pong' happens every time, in just about any country I can think of.

10 The Left always gets voted in on promises of sweeter times and rosy tomorrows, spends like there's no tomorrow, and when the country eventually gets in so much economical doldrums that it can't manage anymore (such as currently in UK or 1979 before that, such as France in 1974 and again in 2001 or thereabouts),
20 The Right gets voted in, does what's needed to put the finances in order, p*sses everybody off in the process (because tough times call for tough measures to get back on the straight and narrow, and they take time to work out),
30 GOTO 10

Regardless, it's never those who contribute the most to the pot, whether it's being filled up by the Right or emptied by the Left, who benefit the most. It may be 'just' (in a socially-responsible resources distribution), but "the jug can only go so often to the well until it breaks" ...if you get my drift.

[Dimitri 11]

Originally Posted by L00b

Sponge off the debt = paying it off.

Yes I had misunderstood, I thought you meant sit back and relax and claim all the benefits etc. Pretty obvious now what you mean.

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by Longcol

...

And is anyone, anywhere, proposing the same as you?

Well, it's been a while but the the idea seems to be getting nearer and nearer the corridors of power. Up as far as the Congressional Oversight Panel, overseeing the U.S. financial rescue. Pity Obama and his Goldman Sachs appointee Geithner have barricaded the doors to any idea except moving trillions from the tax payers' to the banks' accounts by fair means or foul.

[L00b]

Originally Posted by 2 dissenting Panelists

“We are concerned that the prominence of alternate approaches presented in the report, particularly reorganization through nationalization, could incorrectly imply both that the banking system is insolvent and that the new administration does not have a workable plan”

Noooohhh...D'you think?!? Talk about clearly and unambiguously wanting to keep their heads firmly in the sand

[Scabbydog]

Just the latest load of doom and gloom. Economy has shrunk 4.2% in 12 months with more to come.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7989061.stm

The UK economy could decline for another year and take a further two years to recover, according to a respected think tank.

A National Institute of Economic and Social Research study says the current economic decline is "very similar" to the slowdown at the start of the 1980s.

Chancellor Alistair Darling has already admitted the Treasury got it wrong over the length and depth of the recession.

The economy has contracted by 4.2% since May 2008, according to NIESR.


The graphs are particularly telling.

[Tricky]

Another interesting piece of news.

Looks like the Tories are setting about dismantling the myth that they're the banker's buddies. And that maybe they're getting a grip on what the problem is and what to do about it. Early days though.

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by L00b

Noooohhh...D'you think?!? Talk about clearly and unambiguously wanting to keep their heads firmly in the sand

Classic. Although it does raise the question, 'If the two republicans dissented and another banker issued separate findings, how did the 5 man panel get anything published?"

[Tricky]

http://www.order-order.com/

And in particular this quote:

If you want an indication of what kind of electoral strategy they are planning in the Brown bunker, here is clear evidence. The general election is going to make Crewe and Nantwich look like a schoolgirl’s playground fight. They are intent on a dirty, smear filled, personalised, negative, divisive political campaign that will reach a new low in British politics. Look at the people who are at the heart of the Brown bunker - brutal, malevolent, mendacious unpleasant-to-the-core people like Tom Watson, Ian Austin, Nick Brown and Damian McBride. They have no coherent positive strategy, they only have political poison to offer. It won’t work…


Lets hope the final sentence is proved correct. Unfortunately the other sentences are all too obviously true.

[Titanic99]

Originally Posted by Tricky

http://www.order-order.com/

They have no coherent positive strategy, they only have political poison to offer. It won’t work…[/I]

The strategy is easy, all they need to do is compare their achievements in all key areas with those of the previous government and leave it to the public to make up thier own minds on which they'd prefer.

It is easy to see the posters now and it'll be hard for the Tories to counter them:

Here are some of those I expect to see:

You've had 10 years of effective full employment, don't let the Tories take us back to the levels seen under them.

We've had record levels of low crime, don't let us go back to previous levels.

The days of waiting 8 months for an operation have gone, done let them take us back.

The days of lack of investment in Schools has gone, done let them take us back.

The days of Pensioner and Child poverty have effectively gone, don't let them take us back.

It is easy to see what they will do and I suspect very hard for the Tories to counter given their past record in these areas.

[tonkatoy]

Originally Posted by Titanic99

The strategy is easy, all they need to do is compare their achievements in all key areas with those of the previous government and leave it to the public to make up thier own minds on which they'd prefer.

It is easy to see the posters now and it'll be hard for the Tories to counter them:

Here are some of those I expect to see:

You've had 10 years of effective full employment, don't let the Tories take us back to the levels seen under them.

We've had record levels of low crime, don't let us go back to previous levels.

The days of waiting 8 months for an operation have gone, done let them take us back.

The days of lack of investment in Schools has gone, done let them take us back.

The days of Pensioner and Child poverty have effectively gone, don't let them take us back.

It is easy to see what they will do and I suspect very hard for the Tories to counter given their past record in these areas.

You make me laugh. Your postings always seem to be totally ignoring the facts but purely aimed at promoting the Labour party. I think such postings do more to promote voting for any other of the parties than anything they could come up with themselves.
Long live the Arthur Scargill clones. They will be the final nail in the coffin of this bankrupt regime.

[barnie41]

Originally Posted by Titanic99

The strategy is easy, all they need to do is compare their achievements in all key areas with those of the previous government and leave it to the public to make up thier own minds on which they'd prefer.

It is easy to see the posters now and it'll be hard for the Tories to counter them:

Here are some of those I expect to see:

You've had 10 years of effective full employment, don't let the Tories take us back to the levels seen under them.

We've had record levels of low crime, don't let us go back to previous levels.

The days of waiting 8 months for an operation have gone, done let them take us back.

The days of lack of investment in Schools has gone, done let them take us back.

The days of Pensioner and Child poverty have effectively gone, don't let them take us back.

It is easy to see what they will do and I suspect very hard for the Tories to counter given their past record in these areas.

Easy - one poster with 6 words

Iraq
Credit crunch
Redundancy
Immigration
Expenses

Cheap and cheerful - this gov't is on it's way out. No one trusts them, believes them and certainly have no faith in Brown at all.

[tonkatoy]

Originally Posted by barnie41

Easy - one poster with 6 words

Iraq
Credit crunch
Redundancy
Immigration
Expenses

Cheap and cheerful - this gov't is on it's way out. No one trusts them, believes them and certainly have no faith in Brown at all.

Damien McBride.
Taxes
Pension fund robbery
Size of civil service
Public Sector pensions
private sector pensions
SLEAZE

[Titanic99]

Originally Posted by tonkatoy

You make me laugh. Your postings always seem to be totally ignoring the facts but purely aimed at promoting the Labour party. I think such postings do more to promote voting for any other of the parties than anything they could come up with themselves.
Long live the Arthur Scargill clones. They will be the final nail in the coffin of this bankrupt regime.

Whilst I'm pleased that I've cheered you up on this fine Sunday morning, I hate to dissappoint you by telling you that it wasn't meant as a joke.

It was a direct response (on thread, unlike your response) to another posters thoughts on Labours strategy for winning the next election.

I stand by them thoughts, this is what I think they should (and will) do and I am interested to know how the Tories are going to counter this strategy.

Perhaps you'd care to stay on track and come up with your own prefered method of countering them, instead of your usual ramblings of irrelevant off thread nonsense that offers nothing to a civilised discussion.

[Titanic99]

Originally Posted by barnie41

Easy - one poster with 6 words

Iraq
Credit crunch
Redundancy
Immigration
Expenses

Cheap and cheerful - this gov't is on it's way out. No one trusts them, believes them and certainly have no faith in Brown at all.

Well I suspect it won't happen very often but I have to agree with you on this one, I genuinely hope the Tories try to counter what I've put in my post with this response.

Iraq- Didn't they support it?
Credit Crunch- Just exactly who was it that created the Society of Greed and must have something?
Redundancy- Do the sums and compare Employment and Unemployment levels between the two whilst in power
Immigration- I'm not sure of the political High Ground they'll claim on this one so please enlighten me, not sure either how it counters my post
Expenses- A comparison of sleaze between the two, now that would be funny

Still not sure how any of this would counter my posts, but I await enlightenment.

[Wildcat]

It is good to know that Labour's economic Policy has got British exports expanding albeit only 2.5%, but considerably better than the 23% reduction being suffered by the German economy.

It looks like we are following Lars Svensson's 'fool proof plan' for beating a recession.

http://hopisen.wordpress.com/2009/04...likely-heroes/

[tonkatoy]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

It is good to know that Labour's economic Policy has got British exports expanding albeit only 2.5%, but considerably better than the 23% reduction being suffered by the German economy.

It looks like we are following Lars Svensson's 'fool proof plan' for beating a recession.

http://hopisen.wordpress.com/2009/04...likely-heroes/

But has the pound has gone down 30% against major foreign currencies that means a 28% reduction.

Incidentally Mussolini is remembered for getting the Italian trains running on time.

Gordon Brown will be remembered for getting the gravy trains running on time.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by tonkatoy

But has the pound has gone down 30% against major foreign currencies that means a 28% reduction.

Incidentally Mussolini is remembered for getting the Italian trains running on time.

Gordon Brown will be remembered for getting the gravy trains running on time.

Quite obviously it doesn't mean a 28% reduction at all.

[whitehorses]

Quick answer?: I don't trust governments full stop.