[Nodens]

The police state has arrived - official.

Welcome to the Anglophobic, Marxist police state of ZaNu-Labour.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments

[boyfriday]

Originally Posted by Nodens

The police state has arrived - official.

Welcome to the Anglophobic, Marxist police state of ZaNu-Labour.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments

This is outrageous and yet another flagrant abuse of laws created to prevent terrorism.

I do find it ironic however that it was only the 'do-gooding, tree hugging, wet lettuce liberals and socialists' arguing with the 'hang 'em and flog 'em' brigade against sweeping changes in anti terror legislation and an extension of custody time limits.

People with a social conscience could predict the proposed law changes would be the thin end of the wedge and here we have it demonstrated against a member of the Shadow Cabinet.

Personally I believe senior figures within the Home Office, including Jackie Smith, should be considering their positions.

[boyfriday]

Originally Posted by Nodens

The police state has arrived - official.

Welcome to the Anglophobic, Marxist police state of ZaNu-Labour.

Incidentally, police states aren't confined to unpatriotic, left wing countries, it's inevitably the outcome of any form of extremism in power.

[alex3659]

on another thread posters are saying "take no notice it's the daiy mail ".
on this thread people are commenting on the validity of a daily mail article .
cant have it both ways .

[MrNM]

[Dumbed down version: sorry Mods..] Our Labour Prime Minister Gordon Brown will in all probability install Marshall Law before he sees fit to call the next General Election.

[cgksheff]

Originally Posted by alex3659

on another thread posters are saying "take no notice it's the daiy mail ".
on this thread people are commenting on the validity of a daily mail article .
cant have it both ways .

Doesn't take many brain cells to see that the same news is in other papers and news sites.

[SHY TED]

Damien Green arrested. Is this sinister?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...conservatives1

[Funky_Gibbon]

Is there any reason he shouldn't be arrested for receiving stolen goods? Or for "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office"?

[esme]

Links for people who don't read the mail

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1039244.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7753763.stm

I wonder how long it will be before bloggers are detained and their premises and homes searched for publishing statements which are uncomfortably close to government plans that the government would prefer were not published

"esme you are charged with making a good guess at government plans and then telling people about it, how do you plead"

... that was a bit tongue in cheek but now I've read it back it's not a huge step from where we are now and I don't have the protections an MP has

[fritzthecat]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

Is there any reason he shouldn't be arrested for receiving stolen goods? Or for "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office"?

As did the shadow chancellor back in 1996, and look who that is, our present prime minister, all he is and was doing was his job, keeping the present goverment honest(ish), im sorry but to arrest an MP on some flaky anti terrorist rule smacks of desperation by the goverment to silence anyone who dares speak out against them, hummm where is it we live here, UK or Russia??

[esme]

there's already a thread on this at http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=425959

maybe the mods can merge these

[DaFoot]

Originally Posted by esme

...maybe the mods can merge these

Indeed we can

[Funky_Gibbon]

Originally Posted by fritzthecat

As did the shadow chancellor back in 1996, and look who that is, our present prime minister, all he is and was doing was his job, keeping the present goverment honest(ish), im sorry but to arrest an MP on some flaky anti terrorist rule smacks of desperation by the goverment to silence anyone who dares speak out against them, hummm where is it we live here, UK or Russia??

Sorry but it isn't the job of any politician to encourage civil servants to break laws. It seriously doubt that it is anywhere in Damien Green's job description that he leak official Government documents to the Press. That's got nothing to do with 'keeping the present government honest', that's simply politics. That these documents are leaked to the opposition and not directly to the media (whose job IS to keep the government and opposition honest) shows that this is political.

And you call it 'flaky anti terrorist rules' but if there is a civil servant who is leaking confidential documents then that is certainly something the anti-terrorism police should be interested in and is definitely part of their remit. A leak in the Home Office is a serious thing.

And finally it was not the Government who called in the police. It was a senior civil servant who called them in because of their concerns about a series of leaks. The police investigated and arrested a junior civil servant and it seem Damien Green's name came up during the interview, leading to his arrest as part of this investigation. It's irrelevant whether the Tories are outraged he was arrested or whether members of the public agree with someone leaking confidential information, the police are doing their job and investigating a possible crime.

hummm where is it we live here, UK or Russia??

We live in the UK which is why politicians suspected of being involved in a crime are arrested and questioned just like anyone else who is suspected of commiting a crime. Politician aren't beyond the law.

[SHY TED]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

Is there any reason he shouldn't be arrested for receiving stolen goods? Or for "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office"?

Yes they call it Parliamentary Privilige. I note even Tony Benn was on the radio today condemning the arrest as a means of stifling public debate.

[Cyclone]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

Sorry but it isn't the job of any politician to encourage civil servants to break laws. It seriously doubt that it is anywhere in Damien Green's job description that he leak official Government documents to the Press. That's got nothing to do with 'keeping the present government honest', that's simply politics. That these documents are leaked to the opposition and not directly to the media (whose job IS to keep the government and opposition honest) shows that this is political.

And you call it 'flaky anti terrorist rules' but if there is a civil servant who is leaking confidential documents then that is certainly something the anti-terrorism police should be interested in and is definitely part of their remit. A leak in the Home Office is a serious thing.

Did you bother to read what it is that he shared with the media? In no way is it related to terrorism, to use such legislation to arrest him is a travesty.

And finally it was not the Government who called in the police. It was a senior civil servant who called them in because of their concerns about a series of leaks. The police investigated and arrested a junior civil servant and it seem Damien Green's name came up during the interview, leading to his arrest as part of this investigation. It's irrelevant whether the Tories are outraged he was arrested or whether members of the public agree with someone leaking confidential information, the police are doing their job and investigating a possible crime.

Which is unusual, as apparently ministers are normally just questioned informally, not arrested using terrorism legislation.

We live in the UK which is why politicians suspected of being involved in a crime are arrested and questioned just like anyone else who is suspected of commiting a crime. Politician aren't beyond the law.

Receiving information is not a crime, no matter where the information came from. Nor is passing it on, unless it's covered under the official secrets act and you've signed it.

[Stormy]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

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It's irrelevant whether the Tories are outraged he was arrested or whether members of the public agree with someone leaking confidential information, the police are doing their job and investigating a possible crime.



We live in the UK which is why politicians suspected of being involved in a crime are arrested and questioned just like anyone else who is suspected of commiting a crime. Politician aren't beyond the law.

Actually its not just the tories who are outraged. Labour backbenchers and Lib Dems have also expressed concern at the arrest. And it speaks volumes that Gordon Brown and Jacquie Smith are doing their best to distance themselves from this affair. This is the start of a very slippery slope that ends back in 1984 and it is a very worrying development

[alex3659]

Originally Posted by cgksheff

Doesn't take many brain cells to see that the same news is in other papers and news sites.

exactly my point .

[Nodens]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

Sorry but it isn't the job of any politician to encourage civil servants to break laws. It seriously doubt that it is anywhere in Damien Green's job description that he leak official Government documents to the Press. That's got nothing to do with 'keeping the present government honest', that's simply politics. That these documents are leaked to the opposition and not directly to the media (whose job IS to keep the government and opposition honest) shows that this is political.

And you call it 'flaky anti terrorist rules' but if there is a civil servant who is leaking confidential documents then that is certainly something the anti-terrorism police should be interested in and is definitely part of their remit. A leak in the Home Office is a serious thing.

And finally it was not the Government who called in the police. It was a senior civil servant who called them in because of their concerns about a series of leaks. The police investigated and arrested a junior civil servant and it seem Damien Green's name came up during the interview, leading to his arrest as part of this investigation. It's irrelevant whether the Tories are outraged he was arrested or whether members of the public agree with someone leaking confidential information, the police are doing their job and investigating a possible crime.



We live in the UK which is why politicians suspected of being involved in a crime are arrested and questioned just like anyone else who is suspected of commiting a crime. Politician aren't beyond the law.

A crime?

These people are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing, what they are employed, by us, to do, that is serving the best interests of the public.

[Unionist]

Originally Posted by Funky_Gibbon

Is there any reason he shouldn't be arrested for receiving stolen goods?

The same could be said of the police themselves who have said they have the BNP membership list and will act on it if any members are in the force it is stolen property , should the police arrest themselves and what of the newspaper editors who have used that stolen property to contact some on it ? I know this is off thread but the point I'm trying to raise is we all know it is a political decision to arrest this Tory . We are getting very close to a police state under ZanuLabour when the police make decisions on who to arrest not on the crime commited but on the political affiliations of those breaking the law .

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by boyfriday

This is outrageous and yet another flagrant abuse of laws created to prevent terrorism.

Not quite. He was arrested on a common-law offence, but anti-terrorist police officers took part in the raids and searches.

He won't be prosecuted - the CPS are well aware that no jury would convict him for treading on Jaqi Smith's toes in pursuit of the public interest.

The police have what they wanted - access to his text and email messages over a long period.

The worst aspect of the case is that Brown and Smith can tell poker-faced lies about not having prior knowledge.

Nulabour are beginning to look like national sociaslists.