[Huscarl]

Hi!

The campaign for the 'woman's vote' took on a militant form around the outbreak of WWI, in the form of the Suffragettes, the most notable and horrific act perhaps being at the June 1913 Derby when Emily Wilding Davison threw herself under the King's horse.

Other women campaigned tirelessly, were gaoled and suffered for the drive to become equal in post-war Britain, and finally won the right to vote in 1929.

In all sections society, from politics to showbusiness and sport to education, women strove to be equal and achieved great feats in their chosen professions.
Today there are inumerable examples in many professions of talented, intelligent, strong and inspiring females being great successes in their own right, and not just "supporting their man".

So, isn't all this great and hard-won work by acknowledged and respected women being diluted and demeaned by the section of society that appear on TV and in the media as pathetic scrubbers, bimbo's and tramps who seem to have hijacked the world media and being féted as icons?

Praised to almost goddess-status for having no talent, intelligence, grace or communication skills, these 'ladies' are instead encouraged to preach a neurotic, tacky materialism and 'inspire' a screeching, foul-mouthed tirade every time they don't get 'what they want' (usually fame, the lotto or a dumb footballer)?

They're everywhere in society as are their equally gross male counterparts (like a cesspit opened it's sluice gates)- in the millions of 'gossip mags', reality tv shows and soaps- setting the examples to teenage girls everywhere in how to 'get a rich man', be as skinny as a corpse or be/act/look/dress like off-duty hookers...without actually officially being one!

That's omitting the near-'ambition' of many girls- driven by the media- to get plastic surgery done at a younger and younger age, creating an era of emotionally crippled and paranoid weaklings.
It's ok to be stupid, plastic and cheap with no real ambition or self-respect or stylish femininity, is what the bombarding media world seems to tell us/them. And do they fight it?

And I'm not even mentioning the drunken and/or violent 'ladies' that represent our society on TV, or embarrass us all abroad on incapacitating 'hen nights' intercepted with casual 'man-bashing' (which is sexist- even when shown in TV adverts!) and very audible shrieks of the diluted 'feminist' mantra "Go girl!"

I wonder what the likes of Germaine Greer think?

[Grim Reaper]

* Gets popcorn and sits back *

[Mr_Squirrel]

Well said, now be a good lass and pop the kettle on.

[*carrie*]

People fought for women to have the freedom to make their own life choices. What they do with them is their choice.

[pk014b7161]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

* Gets popcorn and sits back *

ditto& wait for things to hot up

[H da fella]

You slipped yer chain from the cooker/sink/wesher ????

[Huscarl]

I expect a flaming off some people due to the topic's nature, but have genuinely tried to balance those great feminist pioneers with many in some sections of society, whom I don't think respect even themselves.

[arachnophobe]

I try to ignore the cult of celebrity for celebrity's sake. If people want to act like that, I tend to ignore them too. Or maybe look on in amusement. If you want examples of hard work, drive and passion you can find them. If you want examples of superficiality, greed and aggression you can find them. And it has been so throughout history.

Personally I think we live in a great age, all things considered.

[H da fella]

you live in dore then ???

[Ouija]

Originally Posted by Huscarl

So, isn't all this great and hard-won work by acknowledged and respected women being diluted and demeaned by the section of society that appear on TV and in the media as pathetic scrubbers, bimbo's and tramps who seem to have hijacked the world media and being féted as icons?

Doesn't that play up to the patriarchal dislike of women that some have fought so hard to break free from?

[donuticus]

Originally Posted by Huscarl

Hi!

The campaign for the 'woman's vote' took on a militant form around the outbreak of WWI, in the form of the Suffragettes, the most notable and horrific act perhaps being at the June 1913 Derby when Emily Wilding Davison threw herself under the King's horse.

Other women campaigned tirelessly, were gaoled and suffered for the drive to become equal in post-war Britain, and finally won the right to vote in 1929.

In all sections society, from politics to showbusiness and sport to education, women strove to be equal and achieved great feats in their chosen professions.
Today there are inumerable examples in many professions of talented, intelligent, strong and inspiring females being great successes in their own right, and not just "supporting their man".

So, isn't all this great and hard-won work by acknowledged and respected women being diluted and demeaned by the section of society that appear on TV and in the media as pathetic scrubbers, bimbo's and tramps who seem to have hijacked the world media and being féted as icons?

Praised to almost goddess-status for having no talent, intelligence, grace or communication skills, these 'ladies' are instead encouraged to preach a neurotic, tacky materialism and 'inspire' a screeching, foul-mouthed tirade every time they don't get 'what they want' (usually fame, the lotto or a dumb footballer)?

They're everywhere in society as are their equally gross male counterparts (like a cesspit opened it's sluice gates)- in the millions of 'gossip mags', reality tv shows and soaps- setting the examples to teenage girls everywhere in how to 'get a rich man', be as skinny as a corpse or be/act/look/dress like off-duty hookers...without actually officially being one!

That's omitting the near-'ambition' of many girls- driven by the media- to get plastic surgery done at a younger and younger age, creating an era of emotionally crippled and paranoid weaklings.
It's ok to be stupid, plastic and cheap with no real ambition or self-respect or stylish femininity, is what the bombarding media world seems to tell us/them. And do they fight it?

And I'm not even mentioning the drunken and/or violent 'ladies' that represent our society on TV, or embarrass us all abroad on incapacitating 'hen nights' intercepted with casual 'man-bashing' (which is sexist- even when shown in TV adverts!) and very audible shrieks of the diluted 'feminist' mantra "Go girl!"

I wonder what the likes of Germaine Greer think?

I have to be honest. What someone does with their life is absolutely none of your business. Just because you have ideals that you wish people to follow, they may have a differing agenda. It is after all their life to live, not yours.

[*carrie*]

What is 'stylish femininity'? Isn't this purely subjective?

[Alastair]

What is little known is that universal male suffrage was only established in 1918 in the UK by the Representation of the People Act 1918. Before that only property owning men were allowed to vote.

[Heyesey]

Originally Posted by donuticus

I have to be honest. What someone does with their life is absolutely none of your business.

But that women are fed such heavily-biased information that they grow up thinking that the best thing they can do with their new-found choices is to turn themselves into a tool for man's pleasure, surely is... that should be a concern for everybody.

[rubydazzler]

[deleted for flippancy]

[Rivelin6]

Originally Posted by Huscarl

Hi!

The campaign for the 'woman's vote' took on a militant form around the outbreak of WWI, in the form of the Suffragettes, the most notable and horrific act perhaps being at the June 1913 Derby when Emily Wilding Davison threw herself under the King's horse.

Other women campaigned tirelessly, were gaoled and suffered for the drive to become equal in post-war Britain, and finally won the right to vote in 1929.

In all sections society, from politics to showbusiness and sport to education, women strove to be equal and achieved great feats in their chosen professions.
Today there are inumerable examples in many professions of talented, intelligent, strong and inspiring females being great successes in their own right, and not just "supporting their man".

So, isn't all this great and hard-won work by acknowledged and respected women being diluted and demeaned by the section of society that appear on TV and in the media as pathetic scrubbers, bimbo's and tramps who seem to have hijacked the world media and being féted as icons?

Praised to almost goddess-status for having no talent, intelligence, grace or communication skills, these 'ladies' are instead encouraged to preach a neurotic, tacky materialism and 'inspire' a screeching, foul-mouthed tirade every time they don't get 'what they want' (usually fame, the lotto or a dumb footballer)?

They're everywhere in society as are their equally gross male counterparts (like a cesspit opened it's sluice gates)- in the millions of 'gossip mags', reality tv shows and soaps- setting the examples to teenage girls everywhere in how to 'get a rich man', be as skinny as a corpse or be/act/look/dress like off-duty hookers...without actually officially being one!

That's omitting the near-'ambition' of many girls- driven by the media- to get plastic surgery done at a younger and younger age, creating an era of emotionally crippled and paranoid weaklings.
It's ok to be stupid, plastic and cheap with no real ambition or self-respect or stylish femininity, is what the bombarding media world seems to tell us/them. And do they fight it?

And I'm not even mentioning the drunken and/or violent 'ladies' that represent our society on TV, or embarrass us all abroad on incapacitating 'hen nights' intercepted with casual 'man-bashing' (which is sexist- even when shown in TV adverts!) and very audible shrieks of the diluted 'feminist' mantra "Go girl!"

I wonder what the likes of Germaine Greer think?

Hey I've just been on an hen night and not done any of that- I knew there was something missing. Bit too old for that sort of thing anyway

[Grahame]

After the 1880 General Election William Gladstone became Prime Minister of a government that promised legislation that would reduce the legal inequalities between men and women. One example of this was the passing of the 1882 Married Women's Property Act. Under the terms of the act married women had the same rights over their property as unmarried women. This act therefore allowed a married woman to retain ownership of property which she might have received as a gift from a parent. Before the 1882 Married Women's Property Act was passed this property would have automatically have become the property of the husband. The passing of the 1893 Married Women's Property Act completed this process. Married women now had full legal control of all the property of every kind which they owned at marriage or which they acquired after marriage either by inheritance or by their own earnings.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Wproperty.htm

Women have always been equal with men from before the Middle ages. It seems to have gone a bit wrong in Victorian times though, but not sure why.

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[pk014b7161]

i take it our residing suffragette hasn,t seen this thread when she does reach for the tin hats

[jfish1936]

The real tragedy occurred in the reign of Kind Edward VII, when a lady got the wrong idea, and, instead of throwing herself under the King's horse, threw herself under the King, a rather heavy gentleman, and was crushed.

[Suffragette1]

Originally Posted by pk014b7161

i take it our residing suffragette hasn,t seen this thread when she does reach for the tin hats

I was entertaining guests last night.

I agree with Heyesey's comment. I also think the backlash against feminism is a real shame as is the fact that some people harbour delusions that there is is no need for feminism anymore as the war has been won.