Irresponsible parenting, is this wrong?

bobgirlsnake · 13-09-2008, 18:06

ive just been out doing a little bit of weeding, heard some children rowing next thing i see the mum of two of the children rowing was encouraging her children to fight with this boy. now to me this is crazy a mothers job is to protect and care for her children not to encourage them in to fights.

would you encourage your children to fight??

Jabberwocky · 13-09-2008, 18:10

Surely it cant be legal to do that to anyone, even kids!

Wasnt someone nicked last year for filming their kids scrapping...?

Its a dodgy subject really because Id like my kids to be able to defend themselves against bullies and attacks- I was never taught to fight by my dad as I understand most kids were when I was a kid so I usually came out second best in scraps until I grew big and strong at the age of about 15, but... teaching kids to fight... doesnt that sort of encourage violence?

bobgirlsnake · 13-09-2008, 18:17

i will encourage both my boys to stick up for themselves but in no way would i be stood at the side of them saying go on hit him blah blah blah....

my partner has just been to the shops and heard the mother say "if any of the other lads family walk pass the house get the metal bars out and put them in hospital"

what kinda way is that to bring up children??

blossom2 · 13-09-2008, 18:38

well it is shirecliffe! come on it's not the best area i lived up there for years and always children n parents fighting. I'm not saying it's all bad just saying i'm not shocked with what your saying.

bobgirlsnake · 13-09-2008, 18:44

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Originally Posted by blossom2

well it is shirecliffe! come on it's not the best area i lived up there for years and always children n parents fighting. I'm not saying it's all bad just saying i'm not shocked with what your saying.

we are trying to move as we live one road down from timber top pub we never have a dull moment, but ive never in my life heard a parent talk like this woMAN (may be rude but she in no way acted like a woman should) did.

honeyb35 · 13-09-2008, 18:59

I lived at shirecliffe and NEVER heard anything like this, that 'mother' is a disgrace!

amy-Leigh · 13-09-2008, 19:03

thats disgusting there really is no hope for the children, like another poster said i teach my kids to stand up for themselvs but i wouldnt dream of egging them on to fight thats just wrong.

puddinburner · 13-09-2008, 19:07

Poor little buggers! with a mother like that what chance have they got?

puddinburner · 13-09-2008, 19:13

Where she live, I'll sort her out! Needs teaching some respect, obviously this should not involve violence and nor should she be teaching her kids to behave in this way. Negociation, parenting skills? have they all gone out of the window?

bobgirlsnake · 13-09-2008, 19:20

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Originally Posted by puddinburner

Where she live, I'll sort her out! Needs teaching some respect, obviously this should not involve violence and nor should she be teaching her kids to behave in this way. Negociation, parenting skills? have they all gone out of the window?

she spends most of her time in the timber top pub (you can always hear her shouting day and night)

Swan_Vesta · 13-09-2008, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Jabberwocky

Wasnt someone nicked last year for filming their kids scrapping...?

Nicked & convicted : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-prison.html

Get the filth reported.

Ouija · 13-09-2008, 23:52

That's terrible. I would never want to encourage my son to be violent for violence sake (as it sounds like from your description). I do want him to be able to defend himself, but even that worries me, because I'd be afraid that responding to violence with more violence would escalate. We read every day what can happen when people retaliate. I'd prefer him to be able to avoid a violent situation altogether but I'm not sure that's possible these days. I think I'd be more tempted to keep him in if he was getting threatened with violence. Hard I know. But I'd definitely rather that than passing him a crowbar and saying "give 'em one from me, son".

Ouija · 13-09-2008, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Swan_Vesta

Nicked & convicted : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-prison.html

Get the filth reported.

I heard about that at the time, hadn't heard the outcome though. The sentence should have been harsher, I think. How awful that they goaded the children to continue fighting when one of them was in tears and they both didn't want to do it. Parents are supposed to protect their children not force them into savaging each other. Hardly surprising that the mother was like this, I suppose, when they described her mother's reaction to the whole thing. It's completely disgusting.

Nice to know that the poor kids went to their father. At least one of the parents seemed to understand that this sort of thing is SICK!

DippyDore · 14-09-2008, 06:47

sad and unsurprising.

That's why some of us pay through the nose to live in an area where his kind of riff-raff don't exist.

puddinburner · 14-09-2008, 07:56

Timber Top?

Say no-more! I used to work in the Dev and customers from the timber top were usually barred due to they're suspect behaviour.

It's really sad to see kids brought up in this way.

busybody · 14-09-2008, 08:32

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Originally Posted by bobgirlsnake

ive just been out doing a little bit of weeding, heard some children rowing next thing i see the mum of two of the children rowing was encouraging her children to fight with this boy. now to me this is crazy a mothers job is to protect and care for her children not to encourage them in to fights.

would you encourage your children to fight??

read Blame the parents link

tiffy · 14-09-2008, 13:49

I know I'm certainly disgusted by some of the parent's behaviour. Where I live I'm surrounded by similar occurences quite regularly and whilst once trying to get my own child into the house after she was in an argument with a bullying family's child on my street; the mother came marching down with fags in hand and proceeded to swear and shout and threaten me!

I have no wish to associate with anti-social people but do acknowledge such people who are neighbours and have spent time chatting with their children about all kinds of things. Some people tell me I'm wasting my time and shouldn't chat to them but I have this idea that by talking to them I'm showing them they can get along with others or maybe I can get them interested in something other than distructive or abusive behaviour. Then again I do often think it's like trying to push water uphill.

It just never ends and I do sometimes wonder where did this all start, how do certain types of behaviour begin and why?

Grandad.Malky · 14-09-2008, 13:55

Caveman mentality suits some people, you will never change them.

Ouija · 14-09-2008, 13:58

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Originally Posted by tiffy

It just never ends and I do sometimes wonder where did this all start, how do certain types of behaviour begin and why?

I think it's often just passed down generation after generation. Like the story in the paper where the grandmother of those two toddlers saw nothing wrong in what her daughter did and claimed that's how she'd brought up her kids. Chances are that was also her upbringing. Although it seems abhorrent to most people, some people seem to have been indoctrinated into that behaviour from such a young age that they truly can't comprehend how disgusting it is to other people.

SheShe · 14-09-2008, 14:25

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Originally Posted by DippyDore

sad and unsurprising.

That's why some of us pay through the nose to live in an area where his kind of riff-raff don't exist.

My daughter did the same thing and moved to Totley to give our grandaughter a better start.
It's still how they're brought up though and not where.
Our grown children are a credit to us.