[puddinburner]

Aw...pack it in, else I'll come round and slap thee with a wet fish!!!!
The man looked VERY ILL okay, just a description no harm or offence meant I'm sure.
Not as bad as some folk who follow ambulances just to stare at carnage cos it turns em on...sorry MOD's but this is silly.

[Vanos]

Best thing is to not to care and carry on in your own world.

Obviously I am joking - I saw an old chap down on Chesterfield Road outside what was Swiggys as I walked by. He'd hit his head on the kerb and there was claret everywhere BUT after I'd clocked people looking after him with phones out I carried on my way. Ambulance had taken him off when I walked back 30 mins later. Sometimes tho you need to be slightly 'nosey' to do the right thing.

[julado]

Originally Posted by puddinburner

Let's just prey for the best and hope this gentleman was okay, it brings back some aweful bad memories for me....genuine concern, not nosey
My dad was only 53, I only have vague memories of happy times and my only wish was that he live long enough to see his Grand children grow up.
Very sadly that wish did'nt happen, it was all very sudden, without warning, he never got the chance to be saved by a crack team of paramedics.

I could have posted the EXACT highlighted text myself puddinburner. My Dad was on 53 too and I too wish he could have been saved by a crack team of paramedics as he lay dying at the side of a road. Hugs to you

I am only too glad there was no internet forums in 1985 otherwise I might have been reading insensitive comments like the one posted on here.

[puddinburner]

Aw BIG HUG to you too babe, it's very hard when someone you love and respect goes in this way, never get over it really.
Yes, folk can be insensitive or seem to be but on the whole it's just ignorance, some people just stand and stare, others just walk away, as they have no idea how to react to help or just don't want to get involved in the light of what happens these days.

The other side of the coin, is how it affects the emergency service teams if they fail to save life and those who's job it is to break the worst news to the family. It never get's any easier believe me.
You made me well up now, nice to hear someone cares and has been there, just hope this gentleman makes it and his family never know the grief.

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by puddinburner

Aw BIG HUG to you too babe, it's very hard when someone you love and respect goes in this way, never get over it really.
Yes, folk can be insensitive or seem to be but on the whole it's just ignorance, some people just stand and stare, others just walk away, as they have no idea how to react to help or just don't want to get involved in the light of what happens these days.

The other side of the coin, is how it affects the emergency service teams if they fail to save life and those who's job it is to break the worst news to the family. It never get's any easier believe me.
You made me well up now, nice to hear someone cares and has been there, just hope this gentleman makes it and his family never know the grief.

Death is a fact of life, don’t belittle us, we have all been there, what do you want a medal.

Sorry if that sounds abrupt but the emergency services do a job the same as the rest of us, if they cant cope they shouldn’t be doing it.

[puddinburner]

[QUOTE=Malky;4042838]Death is a fact of life, don’t belittle us, we have all been there, what do you want a medal.

Sorry if that sounds abrupt but the emergency services do a job the same as the rest of us, if they cant cope they shouldn’t be doing it.[/QUOTE

Thanks for that Malky, but do you think it gets any easier if it involves a small child, a close loved one? No it does not and even cops, fire personel and ambulance crew sometimes need councelling to make sense of what they see each and every day. Some of those thing's you would not even begin to imagine, all senses.... and it's not a pleasant experience sometimes.....all your thinking about is saving that life if not too late.

We never expect medal's or any recognition from anyone, it is part of the job and is expected of us.
It does help a lot though to have been through it yourself, in order to say the right thing and deal with the family in the appropriate and respectful manner. Life experience! speaks volumes when you have to do a job like they do......Deep respect...it takes gut's...could you? I think not with an attitude like that!

Death is the only certain thing we have in life...for sure, but when it ends suddenly and unexpectedly then we begin to wonder? Brings the whole religion thing into question but hey that's a different argument.
One in which I do not wish to get involved in.

[linaian]

Originally Posted by Malky

Death is a fact of life, don’t belittle us, we have all been there, what do you want a medal.

Sorry if that sounds abrupt but the emergency services do a job the same as the rest of us, if they cant cope they shouldn’t be doing it.

Hmmm you are obviously asking for a reaction here. Mine is

[bigthanks]

Originally Posted by Malky

Death is a fact of life, don’t belittle us, we have all been there, what do you want a medal.

Sorry if that sounds abrupt but the emergency services do a job the same as the rest of us, if they cant cope they shouldn’t be doing it.

I would say don't feed the troll but on this occasion he looks like he has been living under the SF bridge for a while, just ignore him - he wants a reaction!

[dan_999uk]

Originally Posted by puddinburner

Dan999uk, just a technical question if I may, nothing to do with this poor bloke, cos it is rather morbid. By your tag, I guess you may know.
Ambulances? is it true that they have an insurance issue with lets say no longer with us people. trying to be sensitive as MODS get upset.

Only there was once an incident at a doctors surgery a while ago, this poor man had gone to a better place, the ambulance was called but refused to carry him? As in refused point blank, they muttered something about insurance and ambulances were for the living...I've been confused ever since.

That's why, no matter how bad it may look, I'm always very relieved to see them go in the ambulance, as then at least they have a chance. All very sad.

No, there is no insurance problem with carrying the dead, and never has been.

I'm not sure why the ambulance didn't take the chap from the surgery. Having said that, if someone had a cardiac arrest in a doctors surgery I would expect the doctor to be starting CPR unless there's a very good reason not to - such as a do not resuscitate directive.

[puddinburner]

Thanks for that Dan......It has bugged me for years, I do know they did CPR prior to ambulance arriving, everything they could, alas to no avail.

Prehaps the ambulance service was busy that day? Seen as there was no point taking the poor chap to hospital, the doctor gave the necessary paperwork ( as own doctor) and the rest was down to med legal.

Well at least someone speaks sense on this thread

[Grandad.Malky]

Originally Posted by bigthanks

I would say don't feed the troll but on this occasion he looks like he has been living under the SF bridge for a while, just ignore him - he wants a reaction!

Do you know what a troll is?, obviously not, you could not be further from the truth, I have witnessed the death of close family, one a long drawn out process involving months of visits to the Hospice to visit someone that couldn’t even recognise us.

I may have come across as rather hardnosed and I am sorry if I am not emotional about the death of someone I don’t even know, could I politely suggest you take a look under this “bridge” you are talking about before accusing people.

Puddinburner Thanks for that Malky

Reading your post last night touched a raw nerve hence my response, this morning it looks rather different.

No one doubts the emergency services do an excellent job and yes you are right I couldn’t do it, death touches people in different ways , last nights response was a emotional one rather than any type of trolling , sorry if it came across like that.

[puddinburner]

That's okay Malky, good job I'm not easily offended, like water of a ducks back, I'm used to abuse and not quite pc comments....but sometimes this is not so for others.

Indeed we have all been through it and we most stay strong for those who need us, life is so fragile and so very short at times....that's the reason for living the very best way you can each and everyday....Life's too short as they say?

[busybody]

Originally Posted by puddinburner

Aw BIG HUG to you too babe, it's very hard when someone you love and respect goes in this way, never get over it really.
Yes, folk can be insensitive or seem to be but on the whole it's just ignorance, some people just stand and stare, others just walk away, as they have no idea how to react to help or just don't want to get involved in the light of what happens these days.

The other side of the coin, is how it affects the emergency service teams if they fail to save life and those who's job it is to break the worst news to the family. It never get's any easier believe me.
You made me well up now, nice to hear someone cares and has been there, just hope this gentleman makes it and his family never know the grief.

Its also very hard when they die of cancer, watching them cling on to thier last bit of dignity, at least heart attacks happen fast and there is no pain, although still sad if its your loved one, it affects that person, life is for living, dont dwell on the past, we will all meet up one day!

[puddinburner]

Originally Posted by busybody

Its also very hard when they die of cancer, watching them cling on to thier last bit of dignity, at least heart attacks happen fast and there is no pain, although still sad if its your loved one, it affects that person, life is for living, dont dwell on the past, we will all meet up one day!

Yes, been through this one too, Aunty Jackie was only 36, it spread from breast to spine in weeks, she went from being very bonny, happy go lucky to just a shadow within month's. At the funeral I was surprised and had pride that half of Sheffield had turned up to pay respects.....she had been a well known Sheffield office temp/ social services then Pub landlady, never smoked in her life etc, so rather sad to see her go so young and in such a cruel way.

Little smile...my dad ALWAYS said he would never get old....some sort of phsychic thing going off, he'd said this for years. His two sisters, short space of time one of cancer the other car crash, then his mum of natural, then himself.
They all left us within a space of three years.

The strange thing is, I know they are all watching over us and will ask for guidence when I'm in despair as to what I should do.

[lpkm]

I just hope the guy is OK and all thoughts go to his family..

[busybody]

Originally Posted by puddinburner

Yes, been through this one too, Aunty Jackie was only 36, it spread from breast to spine in weeks, she went from being very bonny, happy go lucky to just a shadow within month's. At the funeral I was surprised and had pride that half of Sheffield had turned up to pay respects.....she had been a well known Sheffield office temp/ social services then Pub landlady, never smoked in her life etc, so rather sad to see her go so young and in such a cruel way.

Little smile...my dad ALWAYS said he was never old....some sort of phsychic thing going off, he'd said this for years. His two sisters, short space of time one of cancer the other car crash, then his mum of natural, then himself.
They all left us within a space of three years.

The strange thing is, I know they are all watching over us and will ask for guidence when I'm in despair as to what I should do.

Thanks for all the details, back to the subject now I think...

[cablerep]

Dear Readers,

May i place my input here.

I am a trained COMMUNITY FIRST RESPONDER. I am a normal joe-public type, trained by the ambulance service to provide emergency life support care in the event of a patient suffering from a heart attack / unconc collapse. I am trained in the use of an external defibrillator and in the correct administration of oxygen and CRP (New protocols 30:2).

I and other local residents from our community are trained to a very high standard and frequently recertified. Every week, we attend REAL emergencies, assisting the regular ambulance service professionals. We give our time for free.

The training costs nothing, but the training saves lives.

Sheffield needs more responder groups and the ambulance service is looking for more fit and able bodied persons to join their local responder groups to save lives in their communities.

Even without the supplied equipment, responders are so highly trained in CPR, that if delivered correctly, the patient has a much greater chance of survival than they would if CPR was not delivered.

The original posting in this thread mentioned persons delivering CRP to a male in a shopping center. If you were passing this man, could you have assisted ? Could you have started to save his life ?

Please contact your local ambulance service to enquire about joining your local COMMUNITY RESPONDER GROUP.

Thank you for reading.